Posted on 01/13/2008 5:51:34 PM PST by Ravnagora
The demonization of the Serbs continues to this day though now carried out by the Dhimmi servants of Jihad (as can often be witnessed on FR threads regarding the Balkans).
Mihailovich...Milosevic
Is that what you’re saying....in that case I agree...Milosevic was the lesser of 2 evils (the other evil to which I refer is Clinton)
Hi CRBDeuce, No, I would not ever equate Milosevic with Mihailovich in any real sense, especially given that Milosevic was part of the very machine that murdered Mihailovich years before, however, there are parallels in the context of what happened in Yugoslavia beginning in 1990/91 and continuing to this day.
Regarding the ‘lesser of evils’ - Regardless of how one viewed Slobodan Milosevic, he was certainly the lesser of three evils - the other two in Yugoslavia being Franjo Tudjman of Croatia and Alija Izetbegovich of Bosnia.
During his “trial” at the Hague, before Milosevic died in prison, he was insisting that he get the opportunity to put Bill Clinton on trial and ask him a few questions with regards to the former Yugoslavia. We will never know, but it’s highly likely that given the choice between facing Kenneth Starr and facing Slobodan Milosevic, Clinton would have found it much easier to be faced down by Starr.
Some of these people found their way into positions from which they convinced Churchill and others who knew better, or should have, that Tito's forces were doing a better job against the NAZIs than Mihailovich's. This included giving Tito credit for Mihailovich actions and victories!
Result: Mihailovich was starved for support, while Tito received lavish praise and help. Of course, it is also well documented that Tito used this support to fight and destroy Mihailovich's forces on many occasions.
It is also very likely that Tito's image of "independence" from Moscow was ALWAYS actually a clever Soviet canard.
There are a some decent videos on Youtube about Mihailovic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiMqGbRiye8&feature=related
and another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ5EDVCbxZ8&feature=related from the grandson of American James Clarence Archer who was rescued by Mihailovic’s Cetniks.
There’s also a few videos by Muslims, communists and Croats, trying to slime Mihailovic.
Yes, there are some excellent books on the subject, including The Web of Disinformation by David Martin and The Rape of Serbia buy Michael Lees. The British agent in charge of all the WWII intelligence coming in from Yugoslavia was James Klugman, who also turned out to be the communist recruiter at Cambridge University who recruited the infamous Soviet spies, Burgess and Philby.
"It is also very likely that Tito's image of "independence" from Moscow was ALWAYS actually a clever Soviet canard."
Actually Kenny, I think that the break between Stalin and Tito was more about egos. Stalin wanted Tito as a worker-bee for greater Russian commuinsm and Tito wanted to be "the Stalin of the Balkans". Much of what has happened in the break-up of Yugoslavia can be attributed to Tito's failed plans for spreading communism throughout the Balkans, including Tito's pre-Hoxha plans for taking over Albania. Tito also supplied the communist side of the post-WWII Greek Civil War.
For further reading and information the article didn’t contain, but might add some insight: http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/006.shtml
Bump!
Babe, IMHO, this image of competition between Stalin and Tito... a contrived image ... was the root of the disinformation campaign. Yugoslavia can be attributed to Tito's failed plans for spreading communism throughout the Balkans
Tito, with Soviet backing, was definitely the man who held Yugoslavia together in the postwar period. Tito's opposition to the Soviet union was largely a charade. However, I won't deny the man had a giant ego ... of Bill Clinton or Ceaucescu proportions, at least.
Saudi’s want Kosovo independent for the wahabis
Bush is in Saudi Arabia
The state department wants to give land to moslems
Bush will obey the state department and the saudis.
Tito’s independence of Moscow was solidified in 1948, especially with the removal and execution of those who sided with Stalin in Yugoslavia during the Informbiro scandal.
Oh wait, that's because they demolish the myth about Draza. Apologies!
If by "charade", you mean that Tito was "no less a communist than Stalin", I would agree. But I honestly think that Tito divorced himself from the Soviet Union so that he could (and eventually did) play both sides (the Soviet Union and the US) against the middle.
As much as I hated his guts, I will give Tito credit for one thing -- he turned Yugoslavia into "a player", rather than "the played".
Because they weren't and he wasn't. Only the Ustase (& it's modern-day fan club), who were the real German Nazi boot-lickers unsuccessfully try to slime Mihailovic with that in order to try and make themselves look less dirty.
Okay, where would you like to begin? With Pecanac’s Chetniks of Sumadija? With Dangic’s Chetniks of Eastern Bosnia? With Jevdjevic’s Chetniks of Hercegovina? With Djujic’s Chetniks of Dalmatia and Lika? With Djukanovic’s Chetniks of Western Montenegro? With Djurisic’s Chetniks of Eastern Montenegro and the Sandzak? Mihailovic’s Chetniks roughly accounted for less than 10% of all Serbian Chetniks during WW2, and even they took arms from the Germans to fight Germany’s enemies. All the ones I listed above openly sided with the Axis and formed the majority of Serbian Chetniks in WW2.
BTW, your regurgitated Ustase arguments are already available on the subject by using FR "search" and entering the word "Mihailovich" --but I doubt anyone will bother.
I guess it's easier for you to run away then to face the facts about the Serbian Chetniks of WW2.
You can't run away from facts.
According to my unchallenged source on all of this, i.e. Anatoly Golytsin, this was part of their carefully choreographed act, the choreographers of course in Moscow.
And please don't forget how Tito used the Albanians in Kosovo specifically to keep the Serbs off balance.
I fail to see how the execution of Stalinists in Yugoslavia during Informbiro could have been a carefully staged act between Stalin and Tito. I strongly suggest you read "Conversations with Stalin" by Milovan Djilas, a Yugoslav Politburo member who went from a hardcore Stalinist to anti-Stalinist and finally Yugoslav dissident.
As for Kosovo, Tito's right hand man, Aleksandar Rankovic (the Serb head of UDBA) ran the province as his own fiefdom for two decades. It was only after his removal for spying on Tito that the Albanians got into power in Kosovo.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.