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To: Eva
My daughter’s friend is an affirmative action student at a top law school,

What the hell is an 'affirmative action student?' Just because you are a minority doesn't make you an affirmative action admittee. And unless your daughter is the same race as her friend, I doubt your daughter was told any such thing. I can only speak for blacks, but black students aren't about to tell some white chick that they aren't competing for grades. This is why affirmative action is so hurtful to minorities. It makes majorities think that none of them got there, whether it is school or a job, on their own merits. They just assume that because someone is different than they are, that they are less qualified and admitted or hired soley based on race.

Did it occur to you that these 'affirmative action students' obtained B+ grades on their own?

I have a law degree (2 of them, actually) and worked in law school admissions. I currently work at a university where a number of my associates are faculty at the law school. I know a little something about law school, admissions, and retention. I am currently engaged in a research project involving first year law students. I also happen to be black. Nobody is giving any grades away to blacks.

You can satisfy yourself with this - there's no affirmative action on the bar exam. You either pass it or you don't; race doesn't get you any brownie points. If the student isn't intellectually qualified, s/he won't pass.

16 posted on 01/09/2008 9:19:49 AM PST by radiohead ("Dissolution of the IRS as we know it." Fred Thompson. Stop...You had me at "dissolution.")
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To: radiohead

An affirmative action student is one who was admitted to the school, given a full ride plus expenses, even though she did not meet minimum requirements for admittance, solely on the basis of her essay.

The girl’s own mother told me this was the case. She bragged about it.


17 posted on 01/09/2008 9:23:45 AM PST by Eva
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To: radiohead; Eva
Affirmative action is nothing more than legalized discrimination and racism; which begs the question... “who benefits from affirmative action?”
22 posted on 01/09/2008 9:57:07 AM PST by Finop (The Liberal says... "It's not fair that you work harder than I do")
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To: radiohead

“Nobody is giving any grades away to blacks.”

Radiohead, I’ve read your postings in the past, and I have no doubt you earned your grades. However, I currently work at a law school, too, and I know for a fact things are being rigged so minority students (blacks and Hispanics) are given preferential treatment. Even in something as benign as determining the criteria for law review status, faculty members argued against a purely merit basis. Their reason? “We’ll never get any black students on law review that way.”

Our first year class had approximately eight minority students. Of that number, three fell below the minimum grade requirements and were dismissed. The ABA has deemed this can’t happen again. We had our first evaluation last October. Their first recommendation? Nothing about the quality of the classes. Nothing about the electronic/book resources. No, the first thing they chose to address was our lack of diversity; we MUST get more black and Hispanic students, ability and merit be damned, apparently.

It’s unfortunate because one of our most conservative students is black. He’s constantly embarrassed at this kind of pandering.


25 posted on 01/09/2008 10:20:48 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: radiohead

As far of the grades are concerned, I asked the young woman if she was spending a lot of time studying, if law school was as hard as they say it is. Her answer was that she was actually kind of slacking off because they were studying contract law at that time and she was never going to use it, and besides she said, that they have a kind of weird method of scaling the grades, which means that she cannot get any grade lower than a B+, so she was just letting the other kids fight over the A’s.

Interpret it any way you like.


29 posted on 01/09/2008 10:47:55 AM PST by Eva
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To: radiohead

“race doesn’t get you any brownie points”; that’s a load of crap and you know it. And yes, On the “state bar exam”. The “examiners” know and you know that to. I are too a scumbag attorney and I know how the State Bar types think. In fact I had a hoot with them one time after a series of articles on diversity in their Bar Journal, I called and complained to some dumbass babmbi bitch at the State Bar that they’d forgotten to include “Anglo-Normans” and how I wanted a committe set up for Anglo-Norman representation in the Young Lawyers group to push the advancement of Anglo-Normans. She took me seriously and promised, (and did), to mail the necessary paper work. She had no idea what “Anglo-Norman” meant, but being exotic it must’ve been an overlooked and oppressed minority. Hell I could’ve convinced them to have the Bar Exam printed in Celtic Runes. They don’t think, they are “program” people.

But hey, what does it really matter? It’s not the “Blacks” problem; its the Liberal Gov’t problem which has embraced the idea that “diversity” = anything except White. And in the final analysis, all of this will seem like a tempest in a tea pot because when the Mexicans are the majority minority, they aren’t going to care a damn about no stinking “diversity”, and the only affirmative action program they’ll care about is payola. Which, in the long run beats a Marxist Dictatorship any day.


31 posted on 01/09/2008 10:57:09 AM PST by glide625
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