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How doctors lie on death certificates to hide true scale of the toll from hospital infections (U.K.)
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | January 3, 2008 | SUE REID

Posted on 01/02/2008 6:29:17 PM PST by Stoat

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To: festus
I’ve read this three times and I don’t find anyone abusing sheep. You are loosing your focus Stoat.

LMAO

You know, I think that the story you're referring to is the only one about sheep that I have ever posted here at Free Republic....I'm delighted that it made such an impression upon you....hopefully a positive one   :-)

I had thought that it was mainly a story about the insanity of Islam, but everybody is allowed their own interpretation  :-)

21 posted on 01/02/2008 9:06:51 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Old Sarge
How doctors lie on death certificates

I wonder if that will help my lower back problem - but wouldn't you need a whole lot to fill the mattress properly?

I get the impression that any Socialist system will generate far more death certificates than what is needed, and so they probably have quite an available supply of them, unfortunately.

Re your back, I've heard that one popular cure for that is to lie face down and have a vivacious and buxom young lass walk on it for a while....I don't know that to be true from personal experience, mind you.

22 posted on 01/02/2008 9:13:16 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Chode
cause of death??? he failed to reach his wellness potential.
 

And that minor point about him acquiring a nosocomial infection as a result of the housekeeping as performed by non-English speaking staff who didn't wash their hands is something that we don't need to worry about or put on any official paperwork such as a death certificate....after all, that's the way that they do things where they come from and for us to tell them that it's wrong would cause us to run afoul of human rights laws....all cultures are equal anyway, aren't they?  Nobody here needs to lose their job because they've been called a 'racist' for suggesting that people from Third World nations change their behaviors......

23 posted on 01/02/2008 9:23:57 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: cspackler

I’m very sorry to hear of the terrible, and needless, ordeal that you suffered. I hope that all is now well for you.

I think that your story can serve as a reminder to all of us that every day is a Gift from God.


24 posted on 01/02/2008 9:31:57 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

yup. something else people don’t realize: you won’t be able to sue the govt if they screw up. now lawsuits are out of control, but wait until that incentive for not screwing up goes away entirely.


25 posted on 01/02/2008 9:42:16 PM PST by piytar
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To: Stoat
C-diff is not the killer....its the dehydration perhaps that sends you to la-la land....

I just love when people say they "caught" something at a hospital....most likely, and someday it will be proved, these infections were present in that person before hospital admittance....

the origin of c-diff is perplexing...many if not most think that most of us carry it but don't come down with disease because a lot of "germs" are opportunistic....they go after the weak and the frail and the sickly.... ....

I see visitors barge right into isolation rooms without putting on gloves, gowns, or even washing their hands... these same people then go to the cafeteria or use the public bathroom...or the water fountain..

I also have had patients that DEMANDED to leave their isolation rooms and wander the hosptital...and there is not a damn thing we can do to stop them, since we are not "holding" them like a prisoner...

my advice to anyone going to a hospital...try to get a private room....don't let others use your bathroom....don't let sick people come visit you..don't have children come visit you...

why on earth with all these "superbugs" around anyone would bring their children to a hosptial to crawl on the floor etc is beyond me....

26 posted on 01/02/2008 9:53:39 PM PST by cherry
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To: Balding_Eagle

“You are subjects, not citizens.”

100% correct. GB is lost, too late to fix in time. Then again, I thought the same thing about France, and Sarkozy is proving me wrong. President of France has much more power, though, than the PM of GB.

My real fear is that the donks both get in the WH and keep both houses of Congress. Then we too will be subjects, not citizens, in all but name...


27 posted on 01/02/2008 10:01:18 PM PST by piytar
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To: tanuki
The catch with ‘free’ health care is that you pay for your funeral./s

My great hope is that one day our dear British Friends might institute some Capitalist reforms to the NHS.  Although private healthcare outside of the NHS is available, some Capitalist incentives within the NHS would certainly improve things for all.   Sadly, it seems that whenever I've read articles discussing such issues in the UK press, the entire concept of 'profit' within the realm of healthcare is spat upon like a dirty word.

28 posted on 01/02/2008 10:02:52 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: cherry

An excellent and essential post, thank you so much. Hopefully all visitors to this thread will read it and take heed.


29 posted on 01/02/2008 10:10:48 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: gitmo
Good news and bad news.

Good news--free hospital and dr. care.

Bad news--patient was killed by filth, apathy, and coverup.

I just wish the media would tell people this.

vaudine

30 posted on 01/02/2008 10:11:34 PM PST by vaudine (RO)
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To: Stoat

God, this is scary.


31 posted on 01/02/2008 10:12:22 PM PST by Zeon Cowboy (Pardon Ramos and Compean NOW! // Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: cherry
Sorry, but people DO catch illnesses in hospital (and dr. offices, and schools, and nurseries. In hospitals, they perhaps catch things because of their weakened conditions when they go in, but hospitals are huge repositories of super bugs.

On the other hand, extremely good hygeine by the facility and workers is absolutely necessary in keeping them down.

My daughter is an RN and reminds her little ones, me, her dad, etc. to wash hands often. She recently went further and bought about a gross of hand spray containers that look like fat ink pens. She arms her school age children with them with instructions to wash hands and use the spray after the bathroom and before lunch.

I had staph infectiion after a operation 50 years ago and it was discovered after a string of post operative patients got it, that an autoclave sterilizing instruments was not working right. You are right that the bad bugs are everywhere, but the main thing keeping them at bay in hospital is super cleanliness.

Obvioiusly, UK is no longer getting it, and we are sliding down the hill, especially in nursing homes as well as hospitals. Truly, the breakdown of our culture in assigning responsibility and administering consequences when people do not do their jobs is much to blame. It also does not help when the cleaners do not speak the language, and as aforementioined, they come from a culture where cleanliness is not stressed..

vaudine

32 posted on 01/02/2008 10:29:17 PM PST by vaudine (RO)
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To: Stoat

From what I hear, the British are already spending out of pocket for private health insurance. I think the time when American-style HMO’s in Britain is closer than we think. BTW, I take no pleasure in their pain. Brits are some of the best people in the world-when they’re not left-deranged.


33 posted on 01/02/2008 10:32:02 PM PST by tanuki (u)
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To: tanuki
From what I hear, the British are already spending out of pocket for private health insurance.

True, but they're not given an opportunity to completely opt-out of the NHS.  Such an option would provide a very healthy and beneficial dose of competition and incentive, just as Charter, Home and Private schools are (very) slowly doing for the Government schools here in the USA.  If I could redirect my public school tax dollars to charter schools, I would do so in a heartbeat.

 I think the time when American-style HMO’s in Britain is closer than we think.

I hope that you're right.

BTW, I take no pleasure in their pain. Brits are some of the best people in the world-when they’re not left-deranged.

Agreed of course.  Hopefully any Brits reading this thread will understand that we are not bashing 'them', only Socialism as a life-sucking cancer.

34 posted on 01/02/2008 10:41:43 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: toothfairy86

I swear her GP was getting some sort of kickbacks for all those neurology consults.

My years of experience have shown me that the same people that make this type claim are the ones who would be the FIRST to sue when a doctor missed something because he didn’t run every test know to man. My guess: the doctor was practicing CYA medicine.


35 posted on 01/03/2008 9:01:53 PM PST by millerph
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To: toothfairy86

I swear her GP was getting some sort of kickbacks for all those neurology consults.

My years of experience have shown me that the same people that make this type claim are the ones who would be the FIRST to sue when a doctor missed something because he didn’t run every test know to man. My guess: the doctor was practicing CYA medicine.


36 posted on 01/03/2008 9:03:07 PM PST by millerph
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To: toothfairy86

I swear her GP was getting some sort of kickbacks for all those neurology consults.

My years of experience have shown me that the same people that make this type claim are the ones who would be the FIRST to sue when a doctor missed something because he didn’t run every test know to man. My guess: the doctor was practicing CYA medicine.


37 posted on 01/03/2008 9:03:54 PM PST by millerph
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To: toothfairy86

I swear her GP was getting some sort of kickbacks for all those neurology consults.

My years of experience have shown me that the same people that make this type claim are the ones who would be the FIRST to sue when a doctor missed something because he didn’t run every test know to man. My guess: the doctor was practicing CYA medicine.


38 posted on 01/03/2008 9:05:06 PM PST by millerph
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To: toothfairy86

I swear her GP was getting some sort of kickbacks for all those neurology consults.

My years of experience have shown me that the same people that make this type claim are the ones who would be the FIRST to sue when a doctor missed something because he didn’t run every test know to man. My guess: the doctor was practicing CYA medicine.


39 posted on 01/03/2008 9:05:16 PM PST by millerph
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To: millerph

FYI, the GP gets $150 for every referral to a specialist. I have never sued anyone in my life! My grandmother was 92 years old and her hands shook. They kept insisting that she had Parkinson’s...which she didn’t. Her brother had the same kind of non-Parkinsonian tremors in his hands. The Parkinson’s medicine that they were giving her made her violently ill and hallucinate. The neurologist wanted to drill some holes in her head to do neurological testing of her brain impulses. My mother and I didn’t want them to put her through that. My mother and I went on a trip for ONE week, and her GP took it upon himself to have her evaluated by the neurologist. She was NOT on Medicaid. Her insurance was the best money could buy, and these doctors were just milking her insurance coverage by doing needless procedures and tests.


40 posted on 01/04/2008 8:23:37 AM PST by toothfairy86
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