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Hawkins seeks ban on payday lenders
Spartanburg Herald-Journal ^ | Sunday, December 30, 2007 | Robert W. Dalton

Posted on 12/30/2007 2:36:27 PM PST by VRWCtaz

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To: Vince Ferrer

I can not defend the wisdom of taking out such a loan. But I have to ask, do we really want the government to “protect” us to this degree?


21 posted on 12/30/2007 2:57:11 PM PST by VRWCtaz (You're not just seeing things if you can get others to see them too. Now about the voices...)
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To: NittanyLion

Didn’t we learn anything after Prohibition? Someone else is going to step in to provide the service, and they won’t take very kindly to any regulation at all.


22 posted on 12/30/2007 2:58:30 PM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: Beelzebubba
"If they’re not competent to understand this, they’re not competent to vote."

I like your train of thought.

23 posted on 12/30/2007 2:59:09 PM PST by VRWCtaz (You're not just seeing things if you can get others to see them too. Now about the voices...)
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To: dfwgator
Didn’t we learn anything after Prohibition?

Apparently not, considering politicians on both sides of the aisle seek to use the big stick of government to a greater degree than ever before.

24 posted on 12/30/2007 3:02:43 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Vince Ferrer
Supporters say the industry provides emergency cash for people who would have trouble getting it elsewhere. They point out that bounced check fees, if annualized, would be nearly 1,000 percent.

The entire system is messed up but some folks need their car fixed now.

25 posted on 12/30/2007 3:02:56 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: VRWCtaz
They're making far too much money

Ah, I hate it when people make too much money. Luckily the government is there to help keep that from happening.

26 posted on 12/30/2007 3:04:54 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: VRWCtaz

Fellows payday loans fill a void that the banks cant do. Who can walk into a bank and get a 100 or 200 dollar loan. The minimum a bank will lend is 5 thousand and it often takes days to receive the money. Payday loans provide short term loans to people who cant get a loan elsewhere. The interests is high, but so is the risk on the lenders side. Nobody forces people to take these loans. I thought people here were for free enterprise and capitalism, since when is that not a conservative concept??


27 posted on 12/30/2007 3:06:13 PM PST by hoosierboy (I am not a gun nut, I am a firearm enthusiast!!!)
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To: dfwgator
"Someone else is going to step in to provide the service, and they won’t take very kindly to any regulation at all."

Exactly right! And I would much rather have it operating in the full light of public display.

28 posted on 12/30/2007 3:08:51 PM PST by VRWCtaz (You're not just seeing things if you can get others to see them too. Now about the voices...)
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To: VRWCtaz

Payday and car title lenders serve a valuable pupose in separating money from stupid people, money that might otherwise be spent for things like crack...


29 posted on 12/30/2007 3:11:13 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: VRWCtaz

It’s kinda too late for these naive libertarian (small ‘l’) sentiments when the rear view mirrors on your car are heavily regulated by the gummint, not to mention hundreds of other parts of the vehicle. Same with banking, and paint manufacturing industries, and everything else, so why not regulate sleazeball loan sharks?!


30 posted on 12/30/2007 3:11:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: antinomian
The bad part is that this is my state representative. Note how adversarial the party relationship becomes when confronted with a true conservative such as Governor Sanford.
31 posted on 12/30/2007 3:13:16 PM PST by VRWCtaz (You're not just seeing things if you can get others to see them too. Now about the voices...)
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To: VRWCtaz

Go over your credit limit by a couple of dollars or have an overdraft of the same amount on your checking account and you can get hit with a fee that is several times the amount you are over. The real loan sharks are the banks and credit card companies.


32 posted on 12/30/2007 3:16:28 PM PST by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides.)
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To: dfwgator
Didn’t we learn anything after Prohibition?

Nope. Just ask the DEA.

33 posted on 12/30/2007 3:17:52 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: VRWCtaz; hoosierboy; eyedigress; NittanyLion
But I have to ask, do we really want the government to “protect” us to this degree?

I thought people here were for free enterprise and capitalism, since when is that not a conservative concept??

I am all for free enterprise, and less regulation. But the rapid growth of these payday loan places, which in their business model is really just legal loan sharking, points to some neighborhoods with serious problems. Those problems won't get solved by just slapping regulations around, but they might get solved by studying why people need to use payday loans. My suspicion is that a significant portion of the business is an entry point into criminal activity, especially drugs.

34 posted on 12/30/2007 3:18:28 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Revolting cat!

Woe is me, the war is lost. We can’t win, so why try?

Does that sum it up?


35 posted on 12/30/2007 3:20:17 PM PST by VRWCtaz (You're not just seeing things if you can get others to see them too. Now about the voices...)
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To: VRWCtaz
Yeah, what we need are more rules! Laws! People to tell us what to do and put us in prison if we disobey!

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36 posted on 12/30/2007 3:22:53 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: hoosierboy
These companies have taken a longtime back room industry and brought it into the light of day. (and maybe even made it safer?) However, I will consul anyone I know not to use them.
37 posted on 12/30/2007 3:25:05 PM PST by VRWCtaz (You're not just seeing things if you can get others to see them too. Now about the voices...)
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To: VRWCtaz

Interest rates are deceiving when applied to very small, high-risk loans. A minimum fee necessary to make any transaction profitable — but the fee for a small, short-term “payday loan” looks deceptively outrageous when translated to an interest rate. It should be remembered that these loans are not for creditworthy borrowers who have access to competitive lending markets. Payday loans are made to high-risk borrowers who present lenders with higher frequencies of expensive collections and write-offs. If meddling politicians mandate artificially low fees for small high-risk loans, lenders will put their capital to better use — and those with the worst credit will lose access to the voluntary lending market. Then, thanks to well-meaning do-gooders, high-risk borrowers will be left at the mercy of underworld loan sharks who handle collections with baseball bats. I would rather let free markets set the rates...


38 posted on 12/30/2007 3:29:41 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Squawk 8888
Payday lenders are scum, but the upside is that they take the small-loan business away from the mob

I know!

39 posted on 12/30/2007 3:30:22 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Always A Marine
A minimum fee is necessary...
40 posted on 12/30/2007 3:31:52 PM PST by Always A Marine
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