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Iran: Bushehr plant ready by March
CNN ^ | 12/23/07

Posted on 12/23/2007 8:52:01 AM PST by DBCJR

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To: Reily
I've got a better idea.

Have a loyalty program, round up all the commies wormed into the intel apparatus, give them a rapid fair trial, and shoot them at dawn.

Then hire only men dedicated to defending the country and ideologically committed to advancing US power in the world.

"But, but, all the lawyers would never go for it."

(Exasperated "do I have to think of everything look")

"You shoot them first..."

21 posted on 12/23/2007 10:39:59 AM PST by JasonC
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To: Gay State Conservative

Love to see a serious ass whooppin and Iran seems to have one coming.


22 posted on 12/23/2007 10:42:12 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Reily
I thought I formated this correctly!

However a military-only intelligence system is potentially worse because you never develop any in-depth expertise. Military personnel systems encourage you to move on to a different job every 2 or 3 years.
There are problems with US Intel analysis are simply due to the fact that intelligence analysis is an art & not a science. This is inherent in the problem and will never go away no matter what you do. (Intelligence analysis is fundamentally an “informed guess” some people claim its analogous to medical diagnosis or forensics analysis for a legal investigation. It is certainly similar to what historians do! Historians don’t claim to guarantee and exact rendering of the past, for better or worse they interpret their data.)
What would improve US intelligence analysis:

1. More aggressive & consistent collection. You can’t analyze what you don’t collect! All the INTS have to be funded and equally emphasized, this includes HUMINT! This means a democrat administration can’t go wobbly and deemphasize HUMINT and only rely on technical means.

2. Minimize or eliminate congressional interference.
Minimize congressional interference by having 1 joint committee. Eliminate, well I know thats impossible but it would be the ideal case. The permanent select committees are a failure, though it will never be admitted!

3. Exempt the Intel community from all the federal government social engineering experiments, be it often mindlessly mandated procurement competitions or pretending that sex and skin color trump, education, training and experience. (Ruthlessly punish real racist acts against employees be it white, black, blue or green. However don’t pretend that racism only flows one way!) The Intel community is actually already exempt but congressional interference force them to participate. (See item 2)

4. One IC-wide physical & personnel security vetting, as well as one understandable classification system. 4. Realistic personnel policies so that real deep expertise can be developed in language, topic & methodology. The current system so I am told has the consequence of encouraging superficiality. An honest acknowledgment and acceptance that this will take time. Much longer then the election cycles, this is why the current constant “congressional fine-tuning” is so destructive.

5. A mandarin system when it comes to promotions. (Or a straight seniority system!) The current system has too much “Got to please the Boss by agreeing with him!” in it. I know this approach would be an anathema to most Freepers but I don’t know of any other way to guarantee analytic integrity as well as develop deep topic operational, & analytical expertise.

6. Honestly recognize if you want government staff with deep experience & expertise you will have to pay salaries sufficient to attract it & keep it.

Yes Clinton incompetence is largely responsible for 9/11, but the seeds of the current level of mediocrity & mendacity go back to the Church committee, the standing up of the permanent congressional committees & the Carter administration & PC regulations. The stand-up of the DNI system has only made a hide-bound, bureaucratic timid system more so. The 9/11 & WMD commission recommendations have far more more bad in them then good. The likely result will be increased micromanagement, timidity when it comes to operations, & more group-think (Got to please the Boss!) when it comes to analysis.

23 posted on 12/23/2007 10:47:12 AM PST by Reily
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To: JasonC
The loyalty program already exists. You swear your oath, you sign all the security agreements, etc.

However what doesn’t exist is the political will to prosecute.

24 posted on 12/23/2007 10:49:08 AM PST by Reily
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To: DBCJR

"The Bushehr plant will produce isotopes for irradiating baby milk. The preposterous speculation about nuclear weapons is a Zionist lie"
25 posted on 12/23/2007 10:52:25 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: BallyBill
>>>Whew, what a relief. I know I trust the Russians the Iranians and the MSM. <<<

And if you can't trust those three, you can always trust Mohammad El Baradai of the UN International Atomic Energy Commission.

He's a real straight shooter, yes siree! He'll keep an eye on things for us infidels.

26 posted on 12/23/2007 11:20:10 AM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: Reily
One more effort to format this correctly!

However a military-only intelligence system is potentially worse because you never develop any in-depth expertise. Military personnel systems encourage you to move on to a different job every 2 or 3 years.
There are problems with US Intel analysis are simply due to the fact that intelligence analysis is an art & not a science. This is inherent in the problem and will never go away no matter what you do. (Intelligence analysis is fundamentally an “informed guess” some people claim its analogous to medical diagnosis or forensics analysis for a legal investigation. It is certainly similar to what historians do! Historians don’t claim to guarantee and exact rendering of the past, for better or worse they interpret their data.)
What would improve US intelligence analysis:

1. More aggressive & consistent collection. You can’t analyze what you don’t collect! All the INTS have to be funded and equally emphasized, this includes HUMINT! This means a democrat administration can’t go wobbly and deemphasize HUMINT and only rely on technical means.

2. Minimize or eliminate congressional interference.
Minimize congressional interference by having 1 joint committee. Eliminate, well I know thats impossible but it would be the ideal case. The permanent select committees are a failure, though it will never be admitted!

3. Exempt the Intel community from all the federal government social engineering experiments, be it often mindlessly mandated procurement competitions or pretending that sex and skin color trump, education, training and experience. (Ruthlessly punish real racist acts against employees be it white, black, blue or green. However don’t pretend that racism only flows one way!) The Intel community is actually already exempt but congressional interference force them to participate. (See item 2)

4. One IC-wide physical & personnel security vetting, as well as one understandable classification system. 4. Realistic personnel policies so that real deep expertise can be developed in language, topic & methodology. The current system so I am told has the consequence of encouraging superficiality. An honest acknowledgment and acceptance that this will take time. Much longer then the election cycles, this is why the current constant “congressional fine-tuning” is so destructive.

5. A mandarin system when it comes to promotions. (Or a straight seniority system!) The current system has too much “Got to please the Boss by agreeing with him!” in it. I know this approach would be an anathema to most Freepers but I don’t know of any other way to guarantee analytic integrity as well as develop deep topic operational, & analytical expertise.

6. Honestly recognize if you want government staff with deep experience & expertise you will have to pay salaries sufficient to attract it & keep it.

Yes Clinton incompetence is largely responsible for 9/11, but the seeds of the current level of mediocrity & mendacity go back to the Church committee, the standing up of the permanent congressional committees & the Carter administration & PC regulations. The stand-up of the DNI system has only made a hide-bound, bureaucratic timid system more so. The 9/11 & WMD commission recommendations have far more more bad in them then good. The likely result will be increased micromanagement, timidity when it comes to operations, & more group-think (Got to please the Boss!) when it comes to analysis.

27 posted on 12/23/2007 12:19:05 PM PST by Reily
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To: Reily
Sorry, swearing and signing aren't a loyalty program, they are a joke.

I mean systematic background checks and vetting for political activity, as well as for leaking. In which anti-Americanism is not excused just because it pretends to be academic or aligned with the Democratic party, say...

28 posted on 12/23/2007 2:00:19 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
It’s done every 5 to 7 years.
I am on your side in regard to these slimes that leak & work against the common good
However I don’t know how you can control someone’s speech.
Courts have long ruled against using someone’s political views as a reason not to hire someone into these security positions.
Also if the Clinton’s or their ilk ever get back in control there will be probably be required statements professing love & loyalty to the Clinton machine.
So I am someone leery of giving the USG the ability to “grade” my politics for acceptability.
29 posted on 12/23/2007 2:20:45 PM PST by Reily
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To: Reily

Good thoughts there. I appreciate your insight. Yeah, Humint is important and of course the Democrats will go wobbly the first time one of our Humint sources is caught doing something un-PC.


30 posted on 12/23/2007 2:22:26 PM PST by rhombus
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The irony of it all!

The name of the plant is BUSHehr.

32 posted on 12/23/2007 10:08:08 PM PST by OnRightOnLeftCoast (Not to be confused with similar-name pirate RightOnLeftCoast)
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