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In pictures: Ancient Roman paintings
news.bbc.co.uk ^ | 12/21/2007 | news.bbc.co.uk

Posted on 12/21/2007 11:46:49 AM PST by WesternCulture

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21 posted on 12/21/2007 9:12:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; Chickensoup; numberonepal; YOUGOTIT; Deaf Smith; Perdogg; the gillman@blacklagoon.com; ..

What a highly educative thread this has developed into!

Thanks for the response.

Below, I’ll try to be PC, moral and serious.

Yesterday, my local Social Democratic art advisor over here in Sweden, Mrs Saabrina Borkström, tried to dissuade me from posting these images on Free Republic.

“Americans lack a deeper understanding of things like art and culture”, she informed me. “The tread is bound to deteriorate within seconds. You see, Americans have no traditions. Just consider the fact that in their country, people who aren’t real military officers are allowed to call themselves ‘Colonel’ just because they’ve founded a fast-food chain” she went on. “Furthermore, they are fixated with sex, but not in a civilized and orthodox Freudian way like we Europeans are” she added.

I objected to this, arguing that there are uncultivated people everywhere, even in Scandinavia.

“Hardly”, she answered. “European education is superior to all other forms of intellectual training and spiritual upbringing”. Mrs Borkström continued by telling me that “Stockholm is the Renaissance Florence of our time, no city in the world is more cultivated, liveable or boasts a higher Volvo per capita rate”.

I riposted “More than 1/5 of all visitors to Florence, Italy, the art capital of the world, are of American origin and no other nation publishes more academic material about ‘il Rinascimento’ than the US does on an annual basis”.

“That doesn’t count” Saabrina said. “I’ve seen all of Michael Moore’s films, I know what I’m talking about. Those uneducated ketchup addicted rednecks come to Europe just to find out if McDonald’s actually tastes the same all over the world”.

I responded “If Americans are so uneducated, why do we award them so many Nobel prizes?”

Upon this Saabrina started yelling “The power of Marx compels You!”. When this didn’t help, she ordered me to leave her office. Then, she slammed the door like only an enraged, university educated Swedish feminist can.

My conclusion is that even if there are certain flaws to European as well as American traditions and ways of thinking, cultural progress does still exist.

On the whole, civilization is on the right track, even if some might say it’s not running fast enough.

I’m convinced the whole world one day will become sophisticated and French.

Greetings from Sweden - Land of Socialist meatballs, blondes with funny accents, safe and politically correct cars and deadly accurate Excalibur missiles (great American/Swedish accomplishment)!


22 posted on 12/22/2007 6:13:42 AM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Very good!


23 posted on 12/22/2007 6:23:45 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Larry Lucido

“Very good!”

- Thanks.

Have a great weekend!


24 posted on 12/22/2007 6:26:06 AM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Wow! Great!

Bookmarking.


25 posted on 12/22/2007 6:30:34 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: WesternCulture
My mother wants to know when she can have her land back?
26 posted on 12/22/2007 6:35:01 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: WesternCulture

:’D After the first paragraph, I just had to check. :’)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_language

Along with the other North Germanic languages, Swedish is a descendant of Old Norse, the common language of the Germanic peoples living in Scandinavia during the Viking Era. Standard Swedish is the national language that evolved from the Central Swedish dialects in the 19th century and was well-established by the beginning of the 20th century. While distinct regional varieties descended from the older rural dialects still exist, the spoken and written language is uniform and standardized. Some dialects differ considerably from the standard language in grammar and vocabulary and are not always mutually intelligible with Standard Swedish. These dialects are confined to rural areas and are spoken primarily by small numbers of people with low social mobility.

[that Wikipedia thingee is amazing — all this time I thought it was about croquet]


27 posted on 12/22/2007 6:35:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: numberonepal

Thanks also, numberonepal. :’)


28 posted on 12/22/2007 6:36:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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29 posted on 12/22/2007 6:43:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Viking era....my peeps!

with love,

NordP

30 posted on 12/22/2007 6:46:20 AM PST by NordP (Such tough choices ahead, I'm now a "middle of the road" voter--somewhere between RUSH & Savage ;-))
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To: coydog
I have another theory, of a purely financial nature.

Most all of the art was commissioned by wealthy individuals for display in their homes. The subjects of the art were either real people or mythic gods.

Consider the artist, wanting to make the guy who is paying for the art feel “good” about themselves. I mean, WHO wants to live in a place where even the ART WORK has more going for it than the owner? Solution, deemphasize certain areas of the art to make the “old man” feel better! I mean, what Roman guy wouldn’t want to be able to say, “Yeah, I got more swingin’ than old Zeus himself!”

The art owner feels better, the artists gets paid a handsome sum, the owner shows off his new art to the rich friends and neighbors, they ask who the artist is and is he available to decorate THEIR homes with more art! It is just the old adage in action, “Make the customer KING!”

At least, that is my theory.

31 posted on 12/22/2007 6:49:59 AM PST by Mr. Jazzy (Very Proud Dad of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, battle tested and Marine tough!)
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To: NordP

:’)

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/dre0242l.jpg


32 posted on 12/22/2007 7:15:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

“My mother wants to know when she can have her land back?”

- It’s understandable if different minorities around the world feel they are being oppressed and claim that other people have ‘stolen’ their land.

However, all ethnic groups were nomads a long time ago and therefore it’s hard to say exactly what land belongs to this or that people.

Another aspect is of course that different ethnic groups constanly are mixing with each other.

I don’t wish to disrespect anyone, but I doubt that it is possible to decide exactly what is and what is not original Sami territory.


33 posted on 12/22/2007 8:14:08 AM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture; blam; SunkenCiv

There goes the teaching I had that depth perspective in art was basically an invention of Renaissance Florentine artists.


34 posted on 12/22/2007 8:24:42 AM PST by wildbill
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To: WesternCulture
"I doubt that it is possible to decide exactly what is and what is not original Sami territory."

I agree...just 'ribbing' you.

35 posted on 12/22/2007 9:22:02 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: wildbill

:’) The Renaissance artists did study it, and gave us modern perspective. The best of the fresco artists of the ancient world did a great job with realistic portrayals, so they have had some kind of text on which they relied. Michelangelo got the equivalent of his postdoc studies when a Roman sculpture (marble, from a Greek work, by Greek sculptors, probably a bronze) was dug up in 1506. I’ve actually seen a pretty silly allegation on the web that the Laocoon group wasn’t Roman-era, but instead was the work of Michelangelo. :’) By the time Michelangelo saw this in Pope Julius’ collection, he’d already done the Pieta and the David, either of which blast most prior works right out of the water. :’D

http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/h/images/hellenstc_laocoon.lg.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laoco%C3%B6n_and_his_Sons


36 posted on 12/22/2007 9:33:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: WesternCulture

great post thanks


37 posted on 12/22/2007 9:35:39 AM PST by beebuster2000 (choice is not not peace or war, but small war now, or big war later masquerading as peace now.)
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It was a very interesting class, but I came away wondering why the classical Romans and Renaissance artists depicted the men’s ....penises, so small.

No central heat...

38 posted on 12/22/2007 10:40:50 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: WesternCulture

Thank you for the site. It’s wonderful!


39 posted on 12/22/2007 6:06:44 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: brwnsuga; coydog; Deaf Smith; Larry Lucido
They liked to take baths in lemon juice.

Hey! It was a 'Roman thing'!

40 posted on 12/22/2007 6:48:58 PM PST by uglybiker
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