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Academic slums ( Dumb Government Teachers)
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams121907.php3 ^ | Dec. 19, 2007 | Walter Williams

Posted on 12/20/2007 6:58:59 AM PST by wintertime

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American education will never be improved until we address one of the problems seen as too delicate to discuss. That problem is the overall quality of people teaching our children. Students who have chosen education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major. Students who have graduated with an education degree earn lower scores than any other major on graduate school admissions tests such as the GRE, MCAT or LSAT. Schools of education, either graduate or undergraduate, represent the academic slums of most any university. As such, they are home to the least able students and professors with the lowest academic respect. Were we serious about efforts to improve public education, one of the first things we would do is eliminate schools of education.

The inability to think critically makes educationists fall easy prey to harebrained schemes, and what's worse, they don't have the intelligence to recognize that the harebrained scheme isn't working.

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The government teachers on this board are, in my opinion, intelligent.

So?....If the FR government teachers posting on this board are intelligent, and on average teachers aren't too bright, there must be some very stupid teachers on the lower end of that bell curve. I hope your kid doesn't have one.

1 posted on 12/20/2007 6:59:00 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

The fact that Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell aren’t lauded as national treasures from every rooftop morning, noon and night is a national disgrace. The fact that they are invisible to the MSM is a crime.


2 posted on 12/20/2007 7:03:07 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: wintertime
Thanks, i m a pulik scewl teechur. Before I receive too many blasts from my Freeper peers, it is currently my planning period and I have completed all of my work.

I have mentioned studies about teacher ACT and SAT scores to my fellow teechurz. They are not too happy when they hear this. Of course, I’m just the token conservative in the teechurz lounge. Sadly I see many teechurz in my own publik scewl that are only here because they attended scewl here and now want to COACH here.

3 posted on 12/20/2007 7:04:47 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: wintertime
That problem is the overall quality of people teaching our children.

Many of these blockheaded bozos can't find Cuber on a map, or name any state and they'll gaze at the map forever.

Yet, they continually are granted 'contract' raises every contract expiration time and wonder why their salaries buy so much less ignoring the fact that their undeserved increases cause inflated prices.

People are voting down school levies with increased regularity.

4 posted on 12/20/2007 7:05:09 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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If the FR government teachers posting on this board are intelligent, and on average teachers aren't too bright, there must be some very stupid teachers on the lower end of that bell curve. I hope your kid doesn't have one.

Most likely your kid does and doesn't. Just like any profession, there are good and bad teachers. In my experience, I have encountered a lot more good ones than bad ones. My parents have dedicated their lives to educating kids. I find the "worst schools in the world" to be complete and utter BS vomited on us by a sensationalist media that survives by selling fear.
5 posted on 12/20/2007 7:10:18 AM PST by mysterio
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Our scewl used to pay us on the first and fifteenth of each month. During contract negotiations, our teechurz actually insisted that we get paid every two weeks. Why? Because sometimes they would have too many weekends without a pay check. They admitted to the administration that they were not capable of handling their own money!
6 posted on 12/20/2007 7:10:34 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: fweingart

Perhaps you should transition to teaching and show them how it’s done. Or you could complain on a message board. I’m sure that will solve the problem with equal speed.


7 posted on 12/20/2007 7:12:21 AM PST by mysterio
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To: wintertime

Yes, there is much, much room for improvement ...

I am in a demanding profession, and many of my colleagues constantly criticize teachers, with their summers off, easy jobs, benefits, etc.

But the one thing I never understand is: if the life of a public school teacher were as easy as people say it is, why don’t smarter people become teachers? Is it the money? Yet, I don’t hear more calls for increased pay.


8 posted on 12/20/2007 7:13:03 AM PST by dinoparty
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I knock government teachers, but some are not blockheads.

Our son has been a high school teacher for many years and has enough material to write an interesting, but frightening book.

9 posted on 12/20/2007 7:13:07 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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To: wintertime
The government teachers on this board are, in my opinion, intelligent.

I'd suspect that the attitudes, core beliefs, and intelligence of teachers on this forum are in no way comparable to the average NEA-loving, leftist indoctrinationists that make up a huge proportion of the teaching profession.

10 posted on 12/20/2007 7:13:52 AM PST by Bob
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I taught at a university. I was able to see why many consider a college education necessary to fill in the gaps that were omitted in public school.

Many of the kids are incapable of expressing a cogent thought or write a paragraph that is easily understood.

11 posted on 12/20/2007 7:16:44 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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It’s because the parents aren’t involved and demanding of junior to actually excel at the coursework assigned. The teacher can motivate a child to a point at school, but after that, it’s the parent’s job. The common factor between a great home school education and a great public school education? Parental involvement.


12 posted on 12/20/2007 7:20:16 AM PST by mysterio
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To: fweingart

Yep, even at the “good” universities...


13 posted on 12/20/2007 7:20:28 AM PST by dinoparty
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"I find the "worst schools in the world" to be complete and utter BS vomited on us by a sensationalist media that survives by selling fear."

Unfortunately, the statistics prove you wrong. American children are less well educated than almost everywhere in the "developed" world, and many places in the "developing" world. SURELY you have seen the results of standardized tests for math and science given to groups in different countries???

"My parents have dedicated their lives to educating kids."

All my female forebears for three generations back taught school. I thought about it, and had actually intended to major in chemistry and minor in education--imagine my surprise when I found out that it was impossible to do so--you had to major in education to be allowed to take education classes (at a major state public college). So, the ed biz lost out, and I became a chemist and instrument designer instead.

14 posted on 12/20/2007 7:21:27 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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In those studies, did they test the parental involvement? As a child, my parents forced me to pick it up when I was slacking off. The parents of my peers did not. Some of them earned mediocre scores. And I'm sure some of them are on message boards right now decrying the state of the US education system. So I think scoring the entire worth of our education system using standardized tests doesn't quite tell the whole story.

I might transition to teaching eventually. Still kind of mulling it over right now.
15 posted on 12/20/2007 7:26:34 AM PST by mysterio
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To: fweingart
I’ve said it on this board many times. In the school of engineering/math we would watch people drop out, head to the add/drop line and enroll in the school of education or the school of communications. The result? These same people teach our kids math and sciences, they report on technology and global warming and don’t have a clue.

I recently witnessed a situation where a a veteran AF officer of 8 years, graduate of the Air Force Academy, Pilot, with a major in math and mechanical engineering was turned down to teach H.S. math because Ohio does not recognize the AF Academy credentials. That is “freakin” pathetique.

I will clarify that my observations are my own. My views are not a blanket statement. There are some very qualified teachers. But the system has purposely been diluted.

Williams supports his article with facts ... the SAT scores are solid indicators of a trend. The answer from a politician is throw more money at it. Boehner/Kennedunk proves their own IQ. And on that statement I will shut up and keep my powder dry.

16 posted on 12/20/2007 7:31:05 AM PST by HiramQuick
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"In those studies, did they test the parental involvement? As a child, my parents forced me to pick it up when I was slacking off. The parents of my peers did not. Some of them earned mediocre scores."

Actually, most of these "inter-country" tests pick the "best and brightest" kids for each country to take part, so I suspect "parental involvement" isn't a factor. Thse are our "elite" students. The sad fact of the matter is that the US educational system is grossly deficient, and has been "dumbed down" so badly that our children are being short-changed in a major way.

17 posted on 12/20/2007 7:31:53 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: wintertime
The problem is a lot of teachers wind up teaching by default. my ex was a teacher, and had a brilliant mind, but she had zero common sense.
18 posted on 12/20/2007 7:39:10 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: goodwithagun

Me brudder is an engineer who got tired of being squeezed by low-quality, cheap Asian competition. He’s in a crash program at what was once a State Teacher’s College, and is now a State College. He tells me that most of the “How to Teach” classes are basically about trying to understand little Jimmy/Juan/JaMille’s background and deprivations and about trying to manipulate evaluations into soft-scored group efforts that will protect those who wouldn’t otherwise pass, so that the “No Child” tax money will keep coming in.


19 posted on 12/20/2007 7:39:12 AM PST by flowerplough (Ron Paul on War: "War is bad, mmm-kay. If you do war, you're bad. Mmm-kay?")
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That is “freakin” pathetique.

Absofreakinglutely!

20 posted on 12/20/2007 7:43:54 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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