Philadelphia Boy Scouts to Lose Historic Building for Not Accepting Homosexuality

LifeSiteNews ^ | 12/11/07 | Hilary White

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PHILADELPHIA, December 11, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Philadelphia council of the Boy Scouts of America will lose the lease on its historic premises for its refusal to bow to pressure from the homosexual lobby to accept homosexual members and leaders. The city has told the Scouts they will be evicted if they cannot come up with US $200,000 a year "market value" rent for the land on which their building sits. Until now, the Scouts had paid a nominal $1 per year lease fee although the youth organisation had originally owned the premises in 1929.

The famous Beaux Arts style building was built and paid for by the Scouts, and turned over to the city with the understanding that the Scouts would be allowed to remain in it rent-free "in perpetuity."

City solicitor Romulo L. Diaz Jr. gave Philadelphia's "Cradle of Liberty Council" of the Scouts until Monday this week to renounce their policy. The Cradle of Liberty Council is the largest Scouts council in Pennsylvania and is the third largest in the entire Boy Scouts of America. The "City of Brotherly Love" has told the Scouts they have until June 1 to vacate their historic building.

A US Supreme Court decision in 2000 said the Boy Scouts were a private organisation who had the right to bar anyone they chose from their ranks. But the city of Philadelphia has a policy that no organisation that "discriminates" may receive public subsidies and City Council is backing Diaz's interpretation of the law.

Diaz, an open and practising homosexual, told a local radio interviewer he would begin looking for a new tenant for the building immediately.

The pressure started in 2003 when then-mayor of Philadelphia, John F. Street, started coming under pressure from homosexual activists, powerful in local politics, to force the Scouts to accept homosexuality, claiming that their refusal violated the city's 1982 "fair practices" law.

Mark Chilutti, a member of the Cradle of Liberty Council executive board said, "We're ignoring the deadline. It was the least bad option we have."

Gregg Shields, national spokesman for the Boy Scouts told the New York Times, "Since we were founded, we believe that open homosexuality would be inconsistent with the values that we want to communicate with our leaders"

"A belief in God is also mentioned in the Scout oath. We believe that those values are important. Tradition is important. Our mission is to instil those values in scouts and help them make good choices over their lifetimes."

A part of the Boy Scout oath says the boys promise to "keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight". Scouting teaches boys to be "trustworthy, helpful, kind, cheerful, brave, clean and reverent".

An editorial in the Philadelphia Daily News says the attack on the Scouts, and their moral stand, comes at a time in Philadelphia when the city suffers a murder a day, "but City Hall thinks Public Enemy No. 1 is the Boy Scouts of America".

Christine M. Flowers said Diaz "has pursued the Scouts with something akin to vengeance, cloaked in the language of equality."

"This is an organization that has done more good for more children in this crime-ravaged city than most of the other so-called charitable groups in the City of Brotherly Love...At a time when this city is awash in blood, and we need as many safe havens for our children as possible, Philadelphia decides to go after an organization that is politically uncomfortable."

An editorial appearing in the online edition of Investor's Business Daily asked, "Isn't it hypocritical, though, to be intolerant in the name of tolerance, to say that it's wrong to disapprove of the lifestyles of others but OK to condemn the religious and moral beliefs of others?"

"How is it that an organization that has done immeasurable good for tens of millions of boys becomes one of America's most notorious and dangerous hate groups?"

Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:
Philly City Council Ends 79-Year Boy Scout Lease Over Refusal to Accept Homosexual Leaders
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jun/07060104.html

To respectfully express concerns to the Philadelphia City Council

Council Chair Anna C. Verna
City Hall, Room 405
Philadelphia, PA 19107-3290
(215) 686-3412, (215) 686-3413
FAX: (215) 686-1932

Vice-Chair Jannie L. Blackwell
City Hall, Room 408
Philadelphia, PA 19107-3290
(215) 686-3418, (215) 686-3419
FAX: (215) 686-1933

To contact Solicitor Diaz
Phone (215) 683-5003 

To contact the Cradle of Liberty Council
Bruce S. Marks
Scouting Resource Center,
22nd & Winter St.
Philadelphia,
PA. USA
19103
(215) 988 9811

[wagglebee]

An editorial in the Philadelphia Daily News says the attack on the Scouts, and their moral stand, comes at a time in Philadelphia when the city suffers a murder a day, "but City Hall thinks Public Enemy No. 1 is the Boy Scouts of America".

It's a sad world we live in.

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[DeLaine]

How can they kick them out since they gave it with the stipulation that they be allowed to use it in perpetuity?????

[GOPJ]

The famous Beaux Arts style building was built and paid for by the Scouts, and turned over to the city with the understanding that the Scouts would be allowed to remain in it rent-free "in perpetuity."

Get a lawyer and sue.

[Osage Orange]

The famous Beaux Arts style building was built and paid for by the Scouts, and turned over to the city with the understanding that the Scouts would be allowed to remain in it rent-free "in perpetuity."

If this is correct.....they should fight it!

Tell me where to donate..$$$

[DManA]

If someone had told the Boy Scout leaders in 1929, better not turn this bulding over to the city, they may kick you out because you won’t allow homosexual scout leaders, they would rightly have thrown the guy into the loony bin.

[jtal]

An editorial in the Philadelphia Daily News says the attack on the Scouts, and their moral stand, comes at a time in Philadelphia when the city suffers a murder a day, "but City Hall thinks Public Enemy No. 1 is the Boy Scouts of America".

Wow - I'm surprised that there wasn't an editorial applauding the city for standing up for Gay Rights (tm).

[metmom]

The famous Beaux Arts style building was built and paid for by the Scouts, and turned over to the city with the understanding that the Scouts would be allowed to remain in it rent-free "in perpetuity."

The city is breaking the contract. Sue them for repossession of the building and all expenses involved.

[We Dare Defend Our Rights]

Perverts in Power

[umgud]

Slowly boiling frog ...........

[SandRat]

This is just soooooooo WRONG!

[neodad]

This will backfire. Evil always over-reaches.

[Bommer]

The famous Beaux Arts style building was built and paid for by the Scouts, and turned over to the city with the understanding that the Scouts would be allowed to remain in it rent-free "in perpetuity."

So why can't the scout sew the living hell out of the city for reneging on the initial agreement for the terms of the lease, as well as sue for religious persecution?

[JZelle]

They’re welcome to use my basement.

[proudofthesouth]

If they are forced to vacate (and I hope they do win in court), they need to remove every square inch of the building.

[Old Sarge]

"How is it that an organization that has done immeasurable good for tens of millions of boys becomes one of America's most notorious and dangerous hate groups?"

We lost the Culture War, that's how.

[traditional1]

Qualified Scout Masters, according to the ACLU:

[Old Sarge]

Evil has yet to over-reach.

[no more apples]

They are being charged an outrageous amount of rent for the land, not the building. Since they can’t pay it, they get booted. And that really stinks. This is a religeous hate crime.

[True Republican Patriot]

Pathetic! The Boy Scouts should take this brazen act of Theif to the Supreme Court. They have an agreement with the City that it is theirs in perpetuity. Mayor Street is a POS.

[wagglebee]

If someone had told the Boy Scout leaders in 1929, better not turn this bulding over to the city, they may kick you out because you won’t allow homosexual scout leaders, they would rightly have thrown the guy into the loony bin.

As would our Founding Fathers if you had suggested to them that the Constitution implicitly allowed for homosexual marriage and abortion and forbade prayer or the mention of God in public places.

[jtal]

How about an adverse possesion lawsuit?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1935577/posts

[Gay State Conservative]

Lawsuit time.

[proudofthesouth]

“This is a religeous hate crime.”

Yes but its okay cause its Christian religion.

[caseinpoint]

Indeed sad. Seems they are taking the “City of Brotherly Love” just a little too literal. One wonders, however, if cases like this will someday trigger a backlash against gay rights and perhaps save other cities and organizations.

[SAMS]

Exactly! Since the city hasn’t lived up to thier end of the bargain, the Boy Scouts get the building back - end of story.

[Gene Eric]

The Boy Scouts retained their honor which is far more important than Diaz and the material he controls. In the end, Diaz is left wanting...

[olezip]

How can they kick them out since they gave it with the stipulation that they be allowed to use it in perpetuity?????

Because like other Marxist Democrats with no integrity or soul, commitments made in the past are null and void whenever they take office.

[lastchance]

Didn’t the Supreme Court already decide a case in favor of the Boy Scouts being allowed to ban homosexuals from their organization?

[Gay State Conservative]

To respectfully express concerns to the Philadelphia City Council...

Sorry,no can do.I'm not that skilled an actor.

[HiramQuick]

If the world needed an enema, Philly would be the place of insertion .... guess that is kind of appropo in this case ...

Waike up ameeeeerica

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

Will they be leasing it out to NAMBLA?

[rodguy911]

Scouts need a dam good lawyer, they need to fight these bastards back.

[Chode]

damn filthy queers...

[Right Cal Gal]

I’m sure an EXCELLENT breach of contract lawsuit can be made of this. If the contract is rescinded, the Boy Scouts get the building back.

[PROCON]

This is a religeous hate crime.

Exactly!!

[Old Sarge]

One wonders, however, if cases like this will someday trigger a backlash against gay rights and perhaps save other cities and organizations.

The herd animals known as the American Sheep will never stand against them. They are too afraid of being called racist, bigot, and hater.

There will never be a backlash, and the Left knows it.

[rodguy911]

This story needs to be all over the New Media, we need to shake these bozos up,they need to be afraid of picking on the Scouts not the other way around.

[jtal]

It took a while, but I dug up a quote from the Philadelphia Daily News from four years ago:

Given the latest Boy Scout flap, we can’t help being disturbed by similarities between the Afghan fundamentalist group and the homophobic American shapers of youth. ...How does a group affiliated with a discriminatory organization make itself immune from charges of discrimination? We don’t think it can.

You reap what you sow, PDN.

[PROCON]

This story needs to be all over the New Media.

Yes, because we know the MSM won't touch it.

I'm optimistic, the Boy Scouts have already won at the SCOTUS.

[goldstategop]

The Boy Scouts get evicted for being true to God. They should view it as a badge of honor. No wonder Philadelphia is disintegrating - both as a city and in its moral constitution.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[caseinpoint]

I guess you are right. It is wishful thinking on my part. But somewhere I hope there is a spark of the original American spirit that rebels against dictatorial groups and finds ways to contravene their control. At the same time I imagine there are groups and people dedicated to ensuring that the people are pushed just so far and no further for the moment, the old frog in boiling water bit.

In point of fact, I think most Christians will certainly agree that as the end of days approaches, it will be increasingly more difficult for Christians to stand for their principles against the tide of society.

[kittymyrib]

Isn’t there some high-powered law firm who would help the Boy Scouts fight this on a pro bono basis? That they should be kicked out of the building THEY OWNED is outrageous! They should make the city pay for the building and for its use all these years that the city was getting it for nothing.

[Repeal 16-17]

with the understanding that the Scouts would be allowed to remain in it rent-free "in perpetuity.

Welcome to Property Law I. Philadelphia has a Fee Simple Subject To A Condition Subsequent. That means Philadelphia only owns the land as long as Philadelphia complies with the Condition. In this case the Condition is that, even though it doesn't own the land or the building, that Boy Scout troop can stay at that building for as long as it wants. That's called a Life Estate.

Wasn't there any lawyer working for Philadelphia that could have informed the Idiotic Powers That Be that if they throw out this Boy Scout troop, that troop would sue to get the building and land back ("reversion") because of the violation of the Condition? The Boy Scouts should be racing to the nearest State court.

[GOPJ]

If the contract is rescinded, the Boy Scouts get the building back.

Works for me.

[True Republican Patriot]

Yes they did, but the Corrupt Street Adm. is claiming some outrageous city law from 1882. I pray some great lawers take this case. As an Eagle Scout, I can say the Scouting Experience was and continues to be priceless. The Scouts paid for that Buildings Construstion and signed over to the City with the AGREEMENT that it was for their Use in Perpetuity. The City is trying to steal the Building worth millions of dollars today. If only a wealthy Benefactor could come forward and pay the supposed $200,000 the city demands for the land lease which had been #1.00 until We can overrule this outtrage, that will be an Act of God! something the new godless demorats don’t follow. This is an OUTRAGE!

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Didn’t the Supreme Court already decide a case in favor of the Boy Scouts being allowed to ban homosexuals from their organization?"

Yes, they did. But the city is saying, "OK, you have a constitutional right to exclude open practicing homosexuals, but you don't hae a constitutional right to a subsidy from the city, which would be the $1 lease."

Ignoring the fact that the BSA built the building, then donted it to the city in view of a $1 lease in perpetuity. I think the BSA has legal grounds to win this one.

[Fresh Wind]

The building in question...