Posted on 12/11/2007 10:30:06 AM PST by pissant
“But Mitt is still better than Huck.
Why Because he has flip-flopped on more issues?”
Huckabee is more of a flip-flopper and slick dishonest shill than Romney, for sure. See quote below.
The only man with genuine and real accomplishments outside of Government sector and that go beyond gabbing is Mitt Romney. The only real executive, real leader and real businessman. The rest are a bunch of gabbers (lawyers, preachers and politicians) so it is ironic that the professional phonies are the ones who, through practice, have managed to look less phony to you than the least phony candidate.
But Mitt Romney is mainly better than Huckabee because Huckabee doesn’t have a fiscal conservative bone in his tax-and-spend-and-regulate-nanny-statist body, while Romney has his whole political career been a consistent and genuine fiscal conservative: Lower taxes, limit spending, deregulate, pursue pro-growth policies.
It is Mitt’s strength and Huckabee’s weakness. It also happens to be the one area where the GOP needs to seriously repair its image in the wake of too many years of “compassionate conservatism”. It’s time to get back to the old time religion of fiscal conservatism. Mitt Romney can do it, Huckabee cannot.
POWERS: “And another issue that’s come up is that you had previously been lobbying President Bush to lift the embargo on Cuba. And then in a recent debate said the opposite. What changed?”
HUCKABEE: “What changed was I’m running for president.”
“Why Huckabee is Rudy’s stalking horse and he’ll do just enough to nuetralize Romney and suck the oxygen out of Thompson’s campaign.
Hmm, that’s an interesting theory...and proving woefully accurate at the moment.”
Yup. I said this back in October, when foolish FredHeads were thinking Huckabee’s rise was a ‘good thing’.... Still is true.
Huck and Rudy doing well = disaster for GOP.
It is his belief that his faith allows him to ignore or rewrite the law that bothers me.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WALLACE: ... a border fence, for cracking down on employers, for telling illegals to go home.
But last year in an interview, you said something somewhat different. You said this, “I think that the rational approach is to find a way to give people a pathway to citizenship.”
Governor, in your new plan, the only path is to go home and to get on the back of the line, which, of course, would mean years of waiting. Why the change?
HUCKABEE: Well, I don’t think there’s an inconsistency. When I said a pathway, I didn’t say what the pathway was.
I now believe that the only thing the American people are going to accept — and, frankly, the only thing that really makes sense — is a pathway that sends people back to the starting point.
But this idea of the waiting years — no, I don’t agree with that. In fact, look, if we can get a credit card application done within hours, if we can get passports done within days, if we can transact business over the Internet any place in the world within seconds, do a background check instantaneously — it’s our government that has failed and is dysfunctional.
It shouldn’t take years to get a work permit to come here and pick lettuce. So part of the plan that I have is that we seal the borders. You don’t have amnesty and sanctuary cities. You do have a pathway that gets you back home.
But that pathway to get back here legally doesn’t take years. It would take days, maybe weeks, and then people could come back in the workforce.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When his compassionate beliefs allow him to pardon hundreds of criminals in Arkansas, and give citizenship to millions of people here illegally, I have to write him off.
Jesus said, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Huckabee mixes the two, to the detriment of both.
11 posted on 12/09/2007 6:20:24 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Amnesty is Huckabee's middle name!)
I put the important parts of the Hucks shuck and jive in bold.
Neither of them, though, have seen fit to donate any money to Huckabee's campaign. I may be mistaken, but the search tool on Opensecrets is pretty effective.
I'm not sure whether that suggests anything, but it is interesting nonetheless.
...and he can certainly forget about retaking New Hampshire.
I feel like I’ve entered Bizzaro World. A sizable portion of Republicans are just plain stupid. The Reagan Revolution is over, apparently.
Dead, buried and spit upon.
You have GOT to be kidding! That’s the last time I defend Jim Gilchrist.
What are people thinking?
Neither of them, though, have seen fit to donate any money to Huckabee's campaign. I may be mistaken, but the search tool on Opensecrets is pretty effective.The obvious conclusion (which may or may not be true) is that they were both paid for their endorsements.I'm not sure whether that suggests anything, but it is interesting nonetheless.
It’s like Chairman Mao endorsing Adam Smith!
But regardless of whether this makes any sense to me, congrats to FR’s Huckabee supporters for a good pick-up.
(actually it’s more like Adam Smith endorsing Chairman Mao.)
You might be right about the RNC. I had not thought about the RNC pushing Huckabee to take the illegal alien issues out of the election. But it is not surprising.
IT IS official!!
Jim Gilchrist is the new Benedict Arnold!!
Benedict Arnold” has become an American expression used to describe traitors and remains widely recognized as such even in 21st century America.
I suggest everyone ask Gilchrist why he’s pulled this boneheaded stunt. I did.
century21minuteman@sbcglobal.net
Jim Gilchrist is consumed with who is trying to screw him lately. He sends e-mails telling folks who has done him wrong, but NOTHING on what he is doing to fight illegal immigration.
How sad.
He didn't?
In addition to being rabid pro-abortion and pro-homosexual, here is the rest of the Mitt wit's record as governor:
Economic Issues
Romney supports minimum wage laws
* In as a candidate for Governor 2002, Romney proposed indexing the Massachusetts minimum wage with inflation, telling the Boston Globe "I do not believe that indexing the minimum wage will cost us jobs. I believe it will help us retain jobs." - - Boston Globe, 7/25/2002
* "The minimum wage is important to our economy and Mitt Romney supports minimum wage increase, at least in line with inflation."
- Romney 2002 campaign website
Romney Balances Budget with $500 Million in New Fees
* "His first budget, presented under a cloud of a $2 billion deficit, balanced the budget with some spending cuts, but a $500 million increase in various fees was the largest component of the budget fix." Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.
Romney was rated a "C" overall by Cato.
Romney imposes "socialized" health care on Massachusetts
* In 2006, Romney introduced a universal health care bill (which passed the Legislature in a slightly amended version) which has been criticized by conservatives as being socialistic.
Republican Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney is trying to accomplish in his final year in office what Democrats can only dream of these days: boosting government spending on and regulation of health care and requiring individuals to purchase government-designed policies. Romney's plan, which is backed by such liberals as Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, Mass.), is being pitched as a compact between citizens and the state.
- National Review Online, 1/26/2006
* The main supporter and cheerleader of Romney's health plan has been, interestingly, the Heritage Foundation. However, there would appear to be just a bit of a conflict of interest in that. According to news reports, Romney's charitable foundation recently donated $25,000 to the Heritage Foundation. And Heritage Foundation helped Romney research and write his health plan.
- Boston Globe, 8/17//2006
Mitt Romney didn’t do liberal things as Governor
“In addition to being rabid pro-abortion”
As the Romney camp says, every choice he made as Governor was on the pro-life side. He made a promise in the 2002 campaign to not disturb the abortion-choice status quo, a status quo he had no power to change anyway since the Supreme Court has ruled it to be constitutional right.
he was endorsed by right-to-life group and his opponent was endorse by pro-choice groups, Partly because he was NOT as rabidly pro-abort as his Democrat opponent, who was pushing for expansion of pro-abort policies, which he opposed.
But Romney had convictions other than that campaign promise (which he kept):
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWYwMzg3MzZkNDBmYzJhMGY5OTY5MjI3YTYxYzFkNDE=
“And Romney, as governor, acted on these convictions. He vetoed an embryonic cloning bill; he vetoed a bill that would allow the “morning after pill” to be acquired without a prescription on the grounds that it is an abortifacient; he vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation; and he fought to promote abstinence education in the classroom. One should not underestimate the tremendous political price that Governor Romney paid in Massachusetts for these acts. Both conviction and courage are necessary for effective pro-life leadership, and Romney, in office, displayed both.
These actions as governor have lead leaders of the most important social conservative groups in Massachusetts, including Massachusetts Citizens for Life, Massachusetts Family Institute, and the Knights of Columbus, to observe that, while previous comments by Romney “are, taken by themselves, obviously worrisome to social conservatives including ourselves, they do not dovetail with the actions of Governor Romney from 2003 until now — and those actions positively and demonstrably impacted the social climate of Massachusetts.” They conclude that Romney “demonstrat[ed] [his] solid social conservative credentials by undertaking” these actions, and has therefore “proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.””
In 2005, in an opinion article that appeared in the Boston Globe, Romney defended his veto of the emergency-contraception bill. He explained, ‘The bill does not involve only the prevention of conception: The drug it authorizes would also terminate life after conception.’ He faulted the bill for not requiring parental consent before allowing minors access to the pill. And he wrote, ‘I understand that my views on laws governing abortion set me in the minority in our Commonwealth. I am pro-life. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother.’”
” and pro-homosexual”
Anti-gay-bashing but also anti-gay-marriage, consistently, and for the Federal Marriage Amendment to stop gay marriage in all 50 states.
record as governor:
Economic Issues
“Romney supports minimum wage laws”
You mean, like Bush signed? Point taken, but he’s not the only Republican.
Mike Huckabee passed a minimum wage INCREASE (beyond inflation).
Romney Balances Budget with $500 Million in New Fees
* “His first budget, presented under a cloud of a $2 billion deficit, balanced the budget with some spending cuts, but a $500 million increase in various fees was the largest component of the budget fix.” Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America’s Governors, 2004.
Consider also that Mitt Romney had a Democrat lege, and consider this ...
“
When he took office, Romney faced a budget deficit of $3.2 billion, which he eliminated. He did not hike personal income or sales taxes. He is now highlighting his efforts to cut Massachusetts’s income tax rate from 5.3 percent to 5 percent and his successful shepherding of a $250 million capital gains tax refund through the Democrat-dominated state legislature.
But he increased fees for getting married, buying a house, bringing a case to court, and using a public golf course, to name a few reported examples. However, in a move that could prove controversial with social conservatives, Romney decided not to raise fees for convicted sex offenders. He vetoed a $75 fee for offenders required by law to register with the state.
“Romney’s people are trying to spin this by saying he kept his ‘No new taxes’ pledge,” said Stephen Slivinski, director of budget studies at Cato. “I guess if you consider only personal income taxes and sales taxes, he’s within bounds. If you take a broader view, he is not. ... Another Romney aide said the $500 million figure used an inflated Democratic estimate from 2003.
The aide said fees actually increased only $260 million between 2003 and 2004.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/romneys-tax-record-gets-a-closer-look-2007-03-27.html
Club for Growth also notes that that year:
“Governor Romney receives credit for actual spending in FY 2003, even though he entered office halfway into the fiscal year, because of the tremendous spending cuts he forced down the Legislature’s throat in January of 2003. Facing a $650 million deficit he inherited from the previous administration, Romney convinced the unfriendly State Legislature to grant him unilateral power to make budget cuts and unveiled $343 million in cuts to cities, healthcare, and state agencies.[19] This fiscal discipline continued in 2004, in which Romney continued to slash “nearly every part of state government” to close a $3 billion deficit.[20]”
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/08/mitt_romneys_record_on_economi.php
So while Romney did raise fees and ‘close loopholes’ to get some revenue, he also put most effort in closing the budget gap with spending reductions.
Romney’s record overall is not a liberal record. A mix of spending cuts and limited fee hikes dont add up to liberal.
A Club for Growth mentions: “On balance, his record comes out more positive than negative, especially when one considers that average spending increased only 2.22% over his four years, well below the population plus inflation benchmark of nearly 3%.[18]”
I’ve seen other conservative Republican Governors, do similar things. You can even go back to Ronald Reagan who did the same thing.
When faced with a similar shortfall, Huckabee *DID* raise general sales taxes. He *begged* for more taxes, and did very little or nothing to curb overall spending, which was increasing precisely because of the additional healthcare spending he initiated, ArKids. Overall spending doubled in 10 years. So a vast difference.
Romney was not perfect, but was a fiscal conservative as Governor.
are we in an alternate universe.....what is going on!
The fit is hitting the shan. I ain’t goin down without a bloody knuckled fight.
Is there anyone left in this universe with the courage of their convictions??????????????????????????????????????
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