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Attacks may be linked
Denver Post ^ | December 10, 2007 | Allison Sherry

Posted on 12/10/2007 12:25:35 AM PST by AZLiberty

Arvada police said Sunday they have "reason to believe" that deadly attacks at two religious institutions 70 miles apart that left four dead and six injured are probably linked.

Arvada Police Chief Don Wick said his agency sent officers to share notes with Colorado Springs police. And late Sunday, authorities from both agencies were searching a home in southeastern Arapahoe County they say could be related to the case.

"We have reason to believe that the two may be related," Wick said at a news briefing.

Two people were fatally shot at a housing complex for missionaries in training at 12:30 a.m. Sunday in Arvada. Thirteen hours later, at Colorado Springs' evangelical New Life Church, a parishioner was killed and four people were injured before the shooter was shot dead by a New Life security guard. Colorado Springs Police Chief Richard Myers was more cautious about any link late Sunday, noting he had no indication the two shootings were related.

"We are working directly with the Arvada Police Department to explore if there is any possible link," Myers said.

In Arvada, Tiffany Johnson, 26, was killed at a Youth With a Mission dormitory when she declined to provide shelter to a man in his 20s seeking a place to sleep. As Johnson started to offer him alternatives, the man opened fire, killing her and Philip Crouse, 24.

Two other staffers waiting up for stragglers to return from a youth bowling trip were wounded before the man ran away through the snow.p> Shortly after 1 p.m. at a large evangelical church 70 miles away, a heavily armed man roughly matching the same description as the Arvada gunman opened fire on a van in the New Life Church parking lot.

One person, whose identity was not released Sunday night, was killed. The gunman then entered the church vestibule and began firing with a high-powered rifle before a security-team member shot and killed him. The female security-team member, whose name was not released, "probably saved many lives today," Myers said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: churchshooting; colorado; murray; neurologist; newlifechurch; ronaldmurray; ywam
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To: AZLiberty

Was it a Muzzie?


2 posted on 12/10/2007 12:58:30 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: bronxboy
Not unless his middle name is Mohammed.

More likely some jackarse on antidepressants.

3 posted on 12/10/2007 1:27:24 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: AZLiberty

The attacks on Evangelicals by the leftists has now resulted in murders of innocent worshipers. The hatered towards the religious right spawned by the MSN, the democrat party, and their presidential candidates has now resulted in maniacs taking to the streets. The blame can be put on the Democrats.


4 posted on 12/10/2007 1:35:40 AM PST by DISCO
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To: DISCO
I agree. Very interesting poll on Coral Ridge website blog (with comments)of present view of christianity of 16-29 age group:

-present-day Christianity is judgmental (87%)
-hypocritical (85%)
-old-fashioned (78%)
-too involved in politics (75%)

Imbedded in these conclusions are 4 deceptions spread by the MMD (Media of Mass Deception) for some 50 years.

1. Present-day Christianity is judgmental. We've been taught by the MMD to be "tolerant" - that is accepting of all religions, viewpoints, and versions of morality. Any Christian that stands on the Scriptures - even when it clearly calls for us to be "salt" in the culture (preserving biblical principles and calling "sin" sin) is intolerant. Fifty years ago a Christian that stood for biblical principles would have been called courageous - today's he's a bigot.

2. The MMD loves to ignore the vast number of testimonies, stories, and literature about how Christians have helped turned countless social, governmental, and cultural travesties into triumphs for the betterment of mankind. Look back to the end of slavery in any country and you will likely see a Christian leading the charge. Find an effort to end persecution, despotism, genocide, mistreatment of women, or suffering children in any stage of recent history and you will probably find a Christian working in the midst of the struggle. Yet the MMD refuses to publish those stories. Instead, they pick the isolated incidents of hypocritical Christians and use those unfortunate occurrences to paint a picture of the entire Christian population, and it has apparently worked.

3. Since when did having a peaceful, just, moral, society become old-fashioned? Since when did telling the truth become out-of-touch? Since the MMD made it fashionable to promote sin, violence, and hedonism.

4. Too involved in politics - I find this perception most troubling. If the young person in America does not understand the necessary role of a Christian to be involved in his/her government, we have some educating to do. This perception is the result of the MMD's successful campaign to convince Americans of the so-called separation of church and state — a myth created by the MMD to remove Christians from spheres of influence

5 posted on 12/10/2007 1:46:47 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: newfreep
view of christianity of 16-29 age group

Do you think this view has ever really varied all that much through the generations?

Among my circle of friends, most who held similiar attitudes toward Christianity and religion in general, underwent "religious" or "spiritual" transformation in their thirties. Some earlier. But, most did not change their attitudes until thirty-something.

6 posted on 12/10/2007 2:08:36 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: newfreep

snip:

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”


27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

/snip

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

“The only important difference between Nazi-ism, Fascism, Communism, Socialism and Liberalism is the spelling, and that the last group hasn’t got the brains to figure it out.” ~ Bill Vance


7 posted on 12/10/2007 2:46:39 AM PST by sure_fine (• " not one to over kill the thought process " •)
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To: AZLiberty
In Arvada, Tiffany Johnson, 26, was killed at a Youth With a Mission dormitory

I've driven by this place.
8 posted on 12/10/2007 2:49:18 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Racehorse
"Do you think this view has ever really varied all that much through the generations?"

Absolutely. Back in the 50's most were respectful of their church, their elders, and their Christian community in general.

9 posted on 12/10/2007 2:53:24 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: AZLiberty

God, Guns and Guts.

Not the kind of story the MSM likes to show us.


11 posted on 12/10/2007 4:36:39 AM PST by Nextrush (Uncommitted in 2008 but no John McCain or Ron Paul please)
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To: newfreep

I was working with a younger engineer from KS in the early 2000s. He stated to me he thought that Christians were the biggest threat to his freedom. The MSM has them brainwashed.


12 posted on 12/10/2007 4:40:46 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: bmwcyle
Open Season on Christians?
13 posted on 12/10/2007 4:48:30 AM PST by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: moneyrunner

Last night at our church Bell Concert, I had my CCW and the 9mm with me.


14 posted on 12/10/2007 4:50:44 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: AZLiberty

Amazing, I haven’t heard many people say it but this could have quickly turned into 30-40 dead innocent people had it not been for a single person who was packing. You are 100% correct... dozens of lives were likely saved by a couragous act of one person.
Too bad this lady wasn’t at the mall last week.
I’m at odd however, I don’t feel right about it so I always leave my weapon in the car when I go into church, maybe I have a flaw in my thinking...


15 posted on 12/10/2007 5:22:39 AM PST by FunkyZero
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thank you for the clear, consise, informative post.
and your effort with the pics.


16 posted on 12/10/2007 5:35:36 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: DISCO

if this had been an attack at a baby butchering factory, the media would be all over it....and calling it christian radicals....


17 posted on 12/10/2007 5:35:57 AM PST by raygunfan
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The relentless barrage of anti-Christian propaganda on TV, in movies, in books, the universities, and the media is designed to create a climate hostile to serious followers of Christianity in America. The instruments that present and shape reality are disproportoinately in the hands of non-Christians and anti-Christians. Much of the hatred of Christianity is political and stems from traditional Christians’ defense of the traditional family and innocent unborn children. But the orchestrated anti-Christian hatred, while designed merely to isolate Christians and drive them from the public square can also have even more sinister consequences: fragile and unbalanced minds may be motivated to take violent action against this demonized subset of our population. It's to early to know, but this may be what's happened here.
18 posted on 12/10/2007 5:57:21 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: newfreep
"4. Too involved in politics - I find this perception most troubling"

Plus, it isn't even accurate. I've been involved in evangelical churches for forty years. "Political involvement" of these congregations has connsisted of reminding people to vote on the Sunday before election day, and over 40 years, that was forgotten more times than it was stated.

19 posted on 12/10/2007 6:04:42 AM PST by cookcounty (Ja-pan Jack Murtha, The ex-Marine who thinks Okinawa is on his Middle East map.)
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To: AZLiberty
The police have been combing through a house in a Denver suburb all night, taking out boxes of stuff believed related to the shooting(s?) Interviews with the neighbors say that the young man of this family (the shooter?) was raised in a strict religious environment and was home-schooled.

I'm getting a really bad feeling about how this is going to be spun if this is the perp.

20 posted on 12/10/2007 6:18:49 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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