Posted on 12/04/2007 3:18:57 PM PST by Santa Fe_Conservative
Don’t you start blaming megan’s mother. Megan’s MySpace activities were being closely monitored until the last minute. Read the background stories first before climbing your moral high ground. A despicable woman is alone responsible for a vulnerable teenager’s death!
You did have one I had previously missed, and I incorporated it into this one. When I remember, I also add a myspace topic tag so I can look for my last list.
I have just been accused of being a troll on my local paper forum where I was afraid to post for a long time. A local story made the Drudge Report and Fox News, heaven knows what else. I'm used to being flamed but I have to be honest and say that I never got hardened to it, so I don't post much and try to be very careful what I say so as not to tick anybody off. No matter how hard you try to parse your words, you are likely to make someone irate.
I won't post to my garden group any more because they have a section that is predominately libs. I stumbled onto it, and after reading hundreds of posts about how evil Bush & Republicans are, I said I thought Democrats were evil because they support abortion. That was the wrong move. It was awful the things most of them came back with. I shouldn't have said that even though, in my heart, that is what I believe. Then they outed me, found out where I live. Then someone put two and two together (similar screen names) and found my posts here and outed me about that.
I'm an adult. This girl was just a kid and a troubled one at that.
From the earlier articles, the parents said they were monitoring their daughters online activity. They were aware of the Josh correspondence.
The parents probably spoiled their daughter beyond all recognition. The parents probably never told her “no,” and thus allowed the child to control them. This in turn helped create the weak willed, emotionally and mentally unstable girl that committed suicide.
Just me breathing makes some people irate.
Oh well that’s good—thanks for keeping a catalog of them. I always appreciate it when someone takes the time to do it.
Yeah, I know what you mean :-). I was going to add jellybean, because that is an old harmless saying we used when we were young, but I didn't want to insult you because you could take it the wrong way or somebody else would accuse me of a, b, c, or all of the above :-).
the meiers were monitoring megan’s use of the internet.
the story was broken by the l.a. times on thanksgiving day.
the following week the new york times published a better article.
according to the thanksgiving day article, megan would sit on the living room couch next to her father and go out on my space. also, she did the same with her mother, a real estate agent who worked in the basement.
on the day megan committed suicide, the mrs meier was busy with megan’s sister; something came up that demanded her immediate attention.
mrs. meier asked megan to get off of the internet. megan disobeyed. megan read the sick stuff “the world would be better off with out you” etc., and went to her room and hung herself.
her mother found her minutes later.
read the l.a. times and n.y. times stories.
The parents probably spoiled their daughter beyond all recognition. The parents probably never told her “no,” and thus allowed the child to control them. This in turn helped create the weak willed, emotionally and mentally unstable girl that committed suicide.
Careful now, unless that last sentence was meant with a bit of sarcasm that isn't my feelings on the matter.
While I do feel there was a failure in the monitoring process, my point isn't that Megan's parents were bad, or are at fault for their daughter's mental state and subsequent death. I am merely saying that instead of pushing for the government to criminalize name calling, I would respect them more if they would at least acknowledge where they might, in hindsight, have lapsed in handling the situation when it went south. That to me would be a better message to share with other parents.
Okay, if you really want to get into the specifics....
Megan’s parents did an admirable job of monitoring - right up until the situation went bad. Then the mom left her alone in the house. And Megan was still at the computer when mom got home. Mom read what Megan read and yet still, when Megan fled to her room what did mom do? Go after her? Help her through it with words of love and wisdom? No, she left her alone and made dinner.
Monitoring is more than keeping an eye on stuff to make sure it’s acceptable. It also requires handling the situation when it becomes unacceptable. If you don’t do the second, doing the first doesn’t help much.
This post is much more callus than I would have liked; the luxury of hindsight allows should’ves and could’ves that aren’t so apparent at the time.
I remember thinking that very same thought when I first read the story about Megan. Why was the mom making dinner when her daughter was so upset and crying and had just read a whole bunch of evil posts to her? But you are right about the should’ves and could’ves. All parents look back at something that we wish we did better on.
you said it:
“the luxury of hindsight”.
Specifics? You’ve got to be kidding. Based on what? Condensed interviews and news reports. You sure are making a lot of assumptions about what her mother said or did not say, and did and did not do.
On my photography group, where I learned what all those numbers on cameras were for lol, they even got ugly there, especially when someone would provoke things by posting photos of gay pride parades. I learned to keep my mouth shut lol.
That garden forum people were so helpful and polite until I hit that political forum. I'm still so mad I won't post there any more because I don't know if it just happens to be a place where libs congregate or what. It has the appearance that all those advertisers on the site support libs as well as the web hosts. There are a few token conservatives, but even they are afraid to say too much.
I looked at that poll at the link and over 70% said people should be prosecuted for harassment. Like anything else, if the states do pass more definitive and stringent laws, there would be a downside to that, too.
Aren't we all? What else do we have to go on?
As for Lori Drew she knew darn well what was going on & I've read about this for awhile now. Any parent who acts like she did or condones behavior like her daughter & employee did & doesn't put a stop to it is guilty in my opinion. I believe without any doubt in my mind she was behind it. Maybe she thought she would be the cool mom or something but her story has changed from the first report I read. Children/teens can be terribly mean & for an adult to join in is disgusting. She has to live with herself but I've found people like Lori Drew never really understand what their actions or lack of actions do to other people. I would say IMHO she really sees nothing wrong in any of this & considers herself & family now victims. Oh well you reap what you sow. Last I read she was one of the most hated women in the country.
http://www.bloggernews.net/112120
That link has Lori's comments & more links. I think Lori Drew is a really sick woman & I doubt anything she says now is going to help her or her family from being hated. They ought to move & go where nobody knows them. If she thinks Megan had problems , IMHO she just dumped a truck load on her own daughter with her BS.
http://deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com/2007/12/lori-drew-megan-meier-megan-had-it.html
Some people have too much time on their hands. All the time. You were in a biking group and made some friends who shared your interest. I can't remember why I got off aol, I didn't like the way you had to access usenet from there and all the darn ads. I feel mellowed out now compared to how I was for awhile. When angry, I think you tend to get into arguments more easily. It's pointless to argue. Once you hit that point, there is no reasonable way to continue discussing anything. Is there such a thing as a polite argument lol? Maybe among friends where you can kid each other.
As for Lori Drew she knew darn well what was going on & I've read about this for awhile now
I haven't commented specifically about that yet. Part of it was remembering that sick f who taunted me. I thought, you know, it hurt, but I could reason it out, but at the time I wondered how many people commit suicide because of cruelty on the web. Now we know at least one. I remember the hurt though, and a teenager with emotional problems can't process information the same as an adult with emotional problems in most cases.
The mother? It sounds like the girls were squabbling and the victim was being difficult. The parents should have gotten together off the web about it, and if they couldn't resolve the problem, each forbid their child to have anything to do with the other. My mother always said parents shouldn't get involved in their childrens' disputes. The kids make up and forget the whole thing, and the parents end up mad at each other forevermore.
OK. I hate, loathe and despise that mother for what she did to that girl. I can't prove it, but I think she was the diabolical brains behind the whole thing. I had to raise my kids with a mother from hell, my ex's wife, and just OMG. She couldn't relate like a normal person. She had to go behind everyone's back and stir up trouble, backstab, gossip, call child protective services on false charges. Get her dead sister to do it. Call my son and threaten him to come meet him, say they'll smash his car, call him a queer (he was about 15 at the time). My children (two now in their 40's) suffered permanent emotional damage from HER. And their father who wouldn't acknowledge what she was doing even though several people told him the same thing. Some people are just evil. Those two deserve to spend eternity together. I'm usually not that judgemental, but that whole thing STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN even though the victim sounds bratty.
A lot of parents aren't too savvy about myspace but should be. My 24-year-old granddaughter is on there, and I hate it, wish she would grow out of it. Knowing what I now know, I don't think I would let my kids on the computer. Period.
See why I didn't want to comment on the story? It hit too close to home, the dynamics of it all.
Oh, one of the kingpins on our local newspaper forum is on SSI, sometimes posts night and day. He molested an underage girl, post after post telling the whole world about it, has a family now blah blah, how he went to jail, the SOR, and he wrote intelligently. But I got sick of reading his drivel. Why do people gravitate to a de facto leader like that?
Now I should have kept that all to myself lol.
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