Posted on 11/24/2007 8:50:25 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
Tuesday's announcement that scientists had found a noncontroversial way to make cells equivalent to human embryonic stem cells did not just change the scientific and ethical landscape. It generated economic and geopolitical tremors through California, New York and about half a dozen other states that have invested -- in some cases heavily -- in embryonic stem cell programs and research centers.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
California has the biggest statewide stake in embryonic stem cell research, with an aggressive commitment to spend $3 billion over 10 years to support facilities and studies. Already that pot of money has attracted scientific hotshots from other parts of the United States and abroad.
My sympathy for those making merchandise from the destruction of the lives of the innocents is nonexistent.
A somatic cell --a living skin cell will do nicely-- is treated with molecules which cause the turned potency off 'switches' within the genes to turn back to 'pluripotency on' as if the cell were a less differentiated stem cell with potential to turn into many tissue lines. Then scientists try to guide the pluripotent cell to turn into the more differentiated cells needed for particular treatments. When the embryo builds all the tissue lines of your body, at each stage of differentiation a process called methylation causes the step to be turned off after accomplished. The new process reverses the 'off switch' process.
I repeat:
My sympathy for those making merchandise from the destruction of the lives of the innocents is nonexistent.
I'll bet at least one state (you guess which) will press ahead with the original plan, just to show that they'll grid up babies whether they need to or not.
I would argue that it needed to be done, in order to create an alternative way to do things. Otherwise there would of been whining and complaining forever.
Now, it’s a moot point.
What they’re saying is that we get to pay for what now is not needed. The so-called scientists that have signed on to this abomination are not going to giveup willingly.
Are you not included in that group? What's your secret? ;-)
Arnold backing Prop 71 was one of his earliest horrendous acts. Not only did it commit $6 billion (including interest) of taxpayer dollars, but they amended the constitution to create a right to perform embryonic stem cell research and cloning. Totally absurd.
Well, since that state is in financial straights, it looks like they can save some money now, doesn’t it?
You have a clear idea of what this was all really about. They will, of course, continue funding embryonic research with other people's money, but the "high moral ground" is alread y lost.
Instead of posturing that they are being scientific and unencumbered by outdated ethics, and only looking for a cure, they will be seen for what they are.
NO! NO! NO! You CANNOT cure diseases without killing lots and lots of babies! It’s the ONLY way!
I don’t pay taxes because my late mother in law was from Austria and she gave us her California bond and tax exemption when she passed on :^o
It was a bond issue sponsored by her highness THE ARNOLD...
Same phenomena as Global Warming...the "deniers" are the ones that won't face the fact that its not man thats responsible....and its not catastrophic!! No matter, we dolts (we are if we put up with it) will pay taxes to further both follies.
Al Gore couldn't fit in a Prius
It needed to be done because it was the moral thing to do.The whole episode was nothing more that political posturing. I would much rather be on the side of morality than that of rank political posturing because of my belief is the purity of abortion. This is what the argument was about. President Bush was and is correct. Those who got in a freezy to push ahead never want another way of doing their research. I am not speaking necessarily of the scientific community as a whole but of the leftist politics and world view. It is vile.
Doesn’t matter if it’s a bond issue.
If circumstances change substantially, they still don’t have to sell the bonds. They can choose NOT TO SPEND A DIME!
If an entire city is swallowed by a sinkhole, it means you can stop building that freeway to what is now nowhere.
It's called the Death Culture.
Arnold was always a jackass from the beginning. This fool is nothing but a RINO.
Why you calling him a fool? The ones who pushed for him to represent Republicans and voted for him twice are the real fools!!!
Amazingly, Prop 71 was so bad that even FairOpinion opposed it! I think it was a first. ;-)
No way! FO actually opposed something that was endorsed by his-holiness-the-great-GOP-God-like-sultan-of-all-knowledge Arnold Schwazenegger? Get outta here!
FO must have had a nasty bump on the head that day to oppose Arnold's "brillant" leadership for California.
I know—it’s hard to believe, ain’t it? At least she *started out* opposing it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1249395/posts?page=26#26
A few posts later on the thread, she says Arnie is just naive.
Maybe before the election she changed her position entirely (I don’t remember.)
Thanks for that explanation in layman’s terms. Should it also include that the “new and improved” technique results in cells that are not rejected by the body — whereas embryonic stem cells, or donor cells (from someone other than the intended recipient/patient) could have rejection problems? Again, this is just my layman’s understanding that this development is better on several counts, not just ethically but medically as well.
These murderers will ALWAYS demand the “right” to embryonic stem cells. It must be continued to keep their efforts going to devalue life in all things—abortion, euthanasia, cloning, etc.
Scientists and companies that are to benefit from this government money will sue to get the money promised them, regardless of whether there exists better technology or if it is even worth spending money on.
If you haven’t already, I think it is reasonable to thank God for this breakthrough. The blessing of saving the pre-born and the blessing of the potential to do so much good for those of us out of the womb.
(And thank the researchers and those who funded them, of course.)
Less than a week later the Democratic Congress of NJ with the help of Corzine tried to put a bill through that would fund the building of one of their research centers.
I hope this will stop the whole nonsense in its tracks, but I fear some folks are already so well entrenched as far as money is concerned that they are not going to let this died the ugly death it deserves.
I always follow the money. Take any issue, no matter how controversial or good sounding, can always be traced back to its beginning by following the money.
I was an engineer for a company that specialized in the creation of technological answers to environmental problems. What we hadn’t figured out at the time is that it was an issue and not a problem. Even though we came up with working and proven processes, we were unmercilessly attacked by the environmentalists we strived to help.
We subsequently realized the only thing we were helping them with was lighteneing their wallets since they no longer had an “issue” as a means to raise money that went to “raise awareness” of their personal bank accounts. It operates the same way many charities do by only giving a small portion of the donations to the issue they represent while most goes to “administrative costs” and “processing fees”.
We also learned a sizable monetary support mechanism for these groups were none only than the corporations or businesses who would have lost a revenue stream should the “issue” have been resolved by one of our projects.
This also applies to government agencies.
Schedenfreud
Ah - a smart man connects the odts - first one on the board. I had a thought a couple hours ago that some smart REPUBLICAN(oximoron?) would start a series of commericals about stem cells and global warming and say something like, “We believe in the power of creative people and that good intentions do not mean good science. Look at stems cells developed from skin tissue - most people did not think it was possible, they thought you had to kill embroyos. They think you have to kill business, cars and families or else we will destory the planet. I say they are just as wrong about the planet as about stem cells.!!”
Fine. Let them sue. But if there is no destination then the freeway doesn’t get built.
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