At a news conference Friday, attorney Tom Lambright said his client was "just doing what everyone is supposed to do."
SHARÓN STEINMANN: CHRONICLE
Posted on 11/17/2007 7:33:50 AM PST by Dubya
The Pasadena man who killed two suspected burglars as they left his next-door neighbor's home did not intend to kill them when he stepped outside with his 12-gauge shotgun, his lawyer said Friday.
In portraying Joe Horn as a victim of circumstances, lawyer and longtime friend Tom Lambright called the 61-year-old computer consultant "a good family man" who has been devastated by the Wednesday afternoon burglary and shooting.
Killed in the incident in the 7400 block of Timberline were Miguel Antonio DeJesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, both of Houston.
Each had a minor previous brush with the law. Records show DeJesus was charged with failure to identify himself to a police officer in July 2004. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 20 days in jail. Ortiz was charged with possession of marijuana in July 2005, but it was later dismissed.
"He (Horn) was just doing what everyone is supposed to do," Lambright said at a news conference in front of the Houston police memorial near downtown. "He called the police. He was cooperating with them as best he could, trying to give the police the direction of the burglars. He knew there was danger going outside."
Horn ignored repeated instructions from a 911 dispatcher to remain in his home. He told the dispatcher, "I'm not going to let them get away with it. I can't take a chance in getting killed over this. OK? I'm gonna shoot. I'm gonna shoot."
While lawyers and legal experts across the city continued to debate the legality of Horn's actions, he has left town with his family, Lambright said.
"Hopefully he will see a doctor and maybe get a sedative," he said. "He is not well mentally. This has devastated him. Not in his wildest dreams could he fathom this event."
Lambright said Horn, whom he has considered a friend for 41 years, wept inconsolably during their conversations.
"Joe is the absolute opposite of what everyone thinks he is," Lambright said. "He is not a cowboy. He is not physical. He's 61 years old and overweight. He's not confrontational. He's just a good guy."
Lambright read a written statement in which Horn said the killings would "weigh heavily on me for the rest of my life. My thoughts go out to the loved ones of the deceased."
Lambright said Horn was a hunter, but kept the shotgun in his pickup "for security."
No firearms in house Horn lives with his daughter and granddaughter and does not keep firearms in the house, his lawyer said.
Lambright said Horn was upstairs working at a computer about 2 p.m. when he heard the sound of breaking glass next door. Horn called 911, engaging in a protracted conversation with the dispatcher, who repeatedly advised him to wait inside until police arrived.
"Mr. Horn, do not go outside the house. You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun," the dispatcher told Horn at one point.
"You wanna make a bet," Horn responded. "I'm gonna kill them. They're gonna get away."
Legal opinions conflict Lambright contended that Horn was startled to find the burglars just 15 feet from his front door when he stepped onto his porch. "He was petrified at that point," the lawyer said. "You hear him say, 'I'll shoot. Stop!' They jumped. Joe thought they were coming for him. It's a self-defense issue."
Attorneys and legal experts said Horn's defense probably will be based on state law that allows people to use deadly force to protect neighbors' property.
"If you see someone stealing your neighbor's property, you can get involved and help to stop it," said Sandra Guerra Thompson, a law professor at the University of Houston Law Center.
Others disagreed.
The statutes that allow people to use deadly force to stop a burglary appear to require that the incident be occurring at night, said Craig Jett, a Dallas criminal defense attorney and president of the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's Association.
"It can't be during the day," Jett said.
Experts said that a grand jury may sympathize with Horn. Some people believe that you should be able to protect your neighborhood, said Anthony Osso, a Houston criminal defense attorney.
Osso said that Horn's defense might be that he wanted to prevent the robbers from leaving until police arrived, but they tried to flee and he shot them.
"His best scenario is that he went out to use the threat of deadly force," Osso said. "But they came at him on his own property."
Osso said Horn's 911 call does not tell the whole story about the shooting. Investigators will need information about where the suspects were shot and if they had stopped when Horn ordered them not to move.
"Some people on the grand jury will sympathize with him," said Adam Gershowitz, a law professor at South Texas College of Law. "Maybe he shouldn't have done this, but he was acting in a way a lot of people feel."
But that does not mean he won't be charged, Gershowitz added.
"There's a reason we don't let people take the law into their own hands," he said. "We have a police force for that. As an established society, we believe we are better off with an authorized police force that has standards and training rather than untrained vigilantes."
A transcript of the 911 call suggests Horn intended to do what he felt necessary to stop the burglars. Despite a concerted effort by the dispatcher to persuade him to let police deal with the break-in, Horn was insistent on trying keep them from getting away.
"I don't want you going outside, Mr. Horn," the dispatcher said.
"Well, here it goes, buddy," Horn said. "You hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going."
Seconds later three shotgun blasts are heard.
Praise for dispatcher Experts who reviewed a recording of the call at the Chronicle's request said the dispatcher handled the call professionally and did all he could to defuse the situation until police arrived.
"He was doing everything he could to 'normalize' the conversation and not agitate the caller any further," said Sue Pivetta, a training consultant from Sumner, Wash. "Trust me when I say that he was indeed showing professional control at the highest level."
Charles Carter, a former police executive in Atlanta who has trained dispatchers for two decades, said the officer who handled Horn's call used proven techniques to dissuade him from leaving his home.
"We teach a technique called repetitive persistence," Carter said. "It needs to be at a level lower than the person calling to try to get him to calm down and listen to you. ... He did an outstanding job and needs to be commended."
Chronicle reporters Mike Tolson and Ruth Rendon contributed to this report.
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At a news conference Friday, attorney Tom Lambright said his client was "just doing what everyone is supposed to do."
SHARÓN STEINMANN: CHRONICLE
Yes, he was doing what we are supposed to do.
IF we had fought to keep our good old neighborhoods.
IF we had fought to keep our downtown districts.
IF we had fought to keep our beaches.
IF we had fought to keep our jobs.
IF we had fought to keep our good teachers.
IF we had fought to keep our ____________ (fill in the blanks).
Nice shootin. To bad the law is going to get in the way and ruin this guys life. Hopefully the jury will let him off.
The same would have happened her.
Any individual is free to decide for himself if some particular property is something he wants to defend with a gun but any society that decides that mere property is nothing to shoot at someone over is cutting its own throat.
I never heard reported that the burglars had a gun? I can’t believe I am taking this position, but if they were unarmed, Mr. Horn is a murderer. If this were a home invasion, at his home, that would change things considerably. It wasn’t and he chose to leave his home, ignoring the instructions of the 911 dispatcher. If the men were unarmed, he murdered them. Law Enforcement isn’t allowed to just shoot people fleeing a scene and Mr. Horn isn’t above the law.
I haven’t seen a report of when the police actually arrived. Only that the 911 call lasted something like 10 minutes. Does anybody know?
Well, thanks a bunch for reporting that fact to any potential future burglars, or other criminal types who might make an uninvited visit to the Horn residence.
If I'm piecing the evidence together right, he heard the burglars break into his neighbor's home, called 911, and waited inside of his own home for the police while the burglars took their time to ransack the home. He got agitated believing they were going to get away scot free, grabbed his shotgun, and told the 911 operator he was going outside the confront them. When he stepped outside he found them just 15 feet away, coming toward him. He warned them, then fired. He hit one in the chest (corroborating his version of the facts, that they were approaching him) and one in the side, probably as he was turning away to run after the first burgalar got hit.
Under the circumstances it appears clearly to be a case of self-defense.
I wonder what kind of load he had. My 12-gauge has #2 shot in a 3-inch magnum. No doubt about it, that's a kill round. Either way, he did the right thing.
I definitely agree.
That was confusing to me. Where did he get the shotgun then?
There are only two things that are right about this whole story and they are dead!
Just because someone doesn’t have a gun doesn’t mean they can’t harm or kill you. If I came upon a crime scene and the criminals started towards me, I would feel threatened.
“it can’t be during the day”, said craig jett, a criminal defense lawyer association member.
and so it starts. these people are going to try to indict this man; smart-alecky, smarmy s.o.b.’s.; they’re probably going to speculate based upon their prejudicial attitude toward “white males”..
Hmmm. That sounds pretty ridiculous.
Exactly. People can be beaten or stomped to death or strangled.
The only real mistake Horn made was broadcasting to the dispatcher that he intended to do something to stop the burglars.
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