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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone who honorably serves this country in the military and is honorably discharged should be eligible for citizenship. Otherwise, don’t let illegals join the military. There are two ways of looking at it. The military is either breaking the law by hiring illegals or it serves as a means of providing them legal status. Which is it going to be? Having asked that, I still support Fred as opposed to the moderate one.


3 posted on 11/13/2007 1:15:55 AM PST by pallis
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To: pallis

Where do you get the idea that the military is enlisting illegals?


5 posted on 11/13/2007 1:18:23 AM PST by iowamark
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To: pallis
Otherwise, don’t let illegals join the military.

I absolutely reject the concept of illegals being permitted the honor of joining our military.

I don't care about the circumstances. They need to be deported upon identification as an illegal alien.

What I do approve of is legal guests and visitors who enter legally and then decide that service is an ideal means to pursue permanent citizenship.

But breaking the law initially and then using the military as an "out" for the consequences, I can't agree with.

We can do much, much better for the quality of peers we send to serve with our sons and daughters.

7 posted on 11/13/2007 1:32:30 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: pallis

I believe the military allows legal immigrants to join the military and then I think they give them so many years ( I think about 5) and then they have the opportunity to apply ahead of the line so to speak. I think that’s the way it use to be.


12 posted on 11/13/2007 2:57:26 AM PST by ONEBYEONE (u)
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To: pallis
...don’t let illegals join the military...

I guess I don't understand how an illegal immigrant can enter our military. I have two step-sons from Russia. Both are legal residents and have been waiting for their "green cards" (proof of legal residency) for over two years (which BTW was said to come in about 90 days!). Both have taken and passed the entry exams for the U.S. military. They are not allowed they are not allowed to enlist into the U.S. military until they actually receive their green cards! So, they wait!

So, how does an illegal immigrant get a valid green card for entry into the U.S. military?

24 posted on 11/13/2007 4:52:44 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: pallis
Anyone who honorably serves this country in the military and is honorably discharged should be eligible for citizenship. Otherwise, don’t let illegals join the military.

Illegals can't join the military now and should never be allowed to join. We do allow Legal Permanent Residents [green card holders] to join and receive an expedited path to citizenship.

36 posted on 11/13/2007 5:54:01 AM PST by kabar
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To: pallis
Anyone who honorably serves this country in the military and is honorably discharged should be eligible for citizenship. Otherwise, don’t let illegals join the military. There are two ways of looking at it. The military is either breaking the law by hiring illegals or it serves as a means of providing them legal status. Which is it going to be?

The way illegal aliens join the military is the third way: Identity fraud which constitutes "fraudulent enlistment".

By Michelle Malkin • October 17, 2004 04:36 AM ...... Last week’s issue of People magazine has a brief article about Liliana Plata, an illegal alien from Mexico who allegedly entered the Air Force by pretending to be Cristina Alaniz, a student at Texas State University. According to news reports, Plata was able to join the Air Force using identity documents she had purchased on the black market in Los Angeles for about $2,000. Plata argues that she should be spared punishment for fraud, and be spared punishment for violating our immigration laws, and be spared for deceiving the U.S. government because she served honorably in Iraq.

Fraudulent enlistment is specifically addressed by UCMJ Punitive Article 83: Fraudulent enlistment, appointment, or separation which states that fraudulent enlistment is punishable by:

(1) Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.

Therefore, in accordance with the UCMJ, you cannot combine the military crime of "fraudulent enlistment" with an "honorable discharge".

44 posted on 11/13/2007 7:02:35 AM PST by Polybius
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