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To: EagleUSA
I'm sorry, but complete sexual repression is not the human condition. At least my great aunt and an uncle and my father in law left the order without taking it to the public. My aunt was a nun for 26 years before quitting and moving in with her female lover.

I think the catholic church and the public would be far better served if the clergy could marry. You know, the way it used to be. Too bad they are more consumed by the equity problems such creates. That's the real reason the church abolished the right for clergy to marry in the first place. I'd love to see statistics per capita on religious workers allowed to marry versus those who cannot regarding sexual abuse.

17 posted on 11/12/2007 5:29:13 PM PST by blackdog
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To: blackdog
Too bad they are more consumed by the equity problems such creates. That's the real reason the church abolished the right for clergy to marry in the first place.

Do you have any documentation for that claim?

My impression of the church’s reason for the vow of celibacy is to save money and collect inheritances of deceased priests.

Married priests need larger salaries priest with children even more. Priest without heirs will their estates to the church. Follow the money as the old saying goes.

34 posted on 11/12/2007 5:46:37 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: blackdog

hey! nobody is forcing anyone to join the clergy. if you want to live through hell on earth then by all means, marry.


38 posted on 11/12/2007 5:53:11 PM PST by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: blackdog
I'm sorry, but complete sexual repression is not the human condition.

You're only partially correct. Voluntarily suppressing one's sex drive for the sake of the kingdom, which Christ speaks about in Matthew 19:12, isn't for people who let their genitals do their thinking. That's why the formation process for the Priesthood is as long as it is.

I think the catholic church and the public would be far better served if the clergy could marry.

I think you shouldn't express an opinion about something you obviously know nothing about. First of all, nuns are members of the laity. They are not clergy. Second, 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church ordain, as a norm, married men. Third, while married men were once ordained as a norm in the Latin Rite, once ordained a single Priest could not then marry. Also, those who were married were expected to live a life of lex continentiae - total continence - forgoing a conjugal life, following ordination. If they and their spouse refused to accept the discipline then the man was not ordained.

You know, the way it used to be.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Too bad they are more consumed by the equity problems such creates. That's the real reason the church abolished the right for clergy to marry in the first place.

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

I'd love to see statistics per capita on religious workers allowed to marry versus those who cannot regarding sexual abuse.

Suggest you begin by reading the following for starters:

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Once you complete that then you can start doing some reading on the number of sexual abuse cases in the public education system whose employees aren't "burdened" with the discipline of celibacy yet many freely choose to prey sexually on pre and post pubescent children.

45 posted on 11/12/2007 6:22:05 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: blackdog

I don’t think that the celibacy requirement makes people into sex offenders. My hypothesis is that people who are uncomfortable with or afraid of their sexual urges, especially ones they see as deviant, are disproportionately drawn to the clergy.

If you’re a teenaged boy who’s attracted to other teenaged boys — or even more so, attracted to little kids — and you want to suppress those desires, sublimate them, the priesthood seems like an ideal environment. Most folks who choose that path succeed in suppressing their desires. Some don’t.


47 posted on 11/12/2007 6:25:18 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: blackdog

Yeah yeah, yeah....

Blah, blah, blah....

Same old, same old. The Catholic church should change to suit me.....


64 posted on 11/12/2007 7:58:42 PM PST by It's me
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To: blackdog
You know, the way it used to be.

You mean before the Council of Elvira, during the reign of the Roman Emperor Diocletian, when it was first declared in the Patriarchate of the West, or perhaps since the Council of Carthage in 390, when it was finally established. I am surprised to find an expert on Church practice during the persecutions by the Roman Emperors, even here on FR!!

73 posted on 11/12/2007 10:52:02 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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