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To: WilliamofCarmichael
There's been a lot of massaging of the record to show a link between the pre-Ataturk Empire and the post-Pasha Republic so that blame may be shared. Folks slip that "Young Turks" thing in there all the time to kind of edge that argument along

I don't think it works out all that clearly since there were many "young" Turks of every political, cultural and social stripe.

Now who would be churning up this stuff? Well, the Brits ~ the ancient Ottoman enemy ~ and the Russians under the Commies.

Speaking of folks who have to account for some genocide, the Russians took Ottoman territories that'd been Turkish for a thousand years and did ethnic cleansing on a grand scale. Millions of people were erradicated, their land taken, and then sold and rented out to Mennonite German farmers.

Not sure anybody wants to get into the assignment of "blame" where the Mennonites look like they were in league with the bad guys.

(Last thing the Nancy woman wants to do is blame her little friends in Russia, but she might bite at a chance to smack down some Protestants.)

(Oh, yeah, lest I forget, the Nancy woman is a pig ~ a regular pig ~ )

(She'd want to ~ real bad ~ but unless she reads FR she won't know about that part).

127 posted on 10/16/2007 10:05:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
RE: a lot of massaging of the record

I cannot argue about that.

However Vahakn N. Dadrian the author is not a Denier and he is acknowledged as an expert on the Armenian genocide. His book -- apparently no longer available except through rare book sources -- is described by one reviewer thus "The volume consists of two long legal briefs, each of which is approximately eighty pages, with supporting appendices. Dadrian chose to construct the volume in this manner because he wanted to identify by a preponderance of evidence those Germans engaged in criminal acts and those who abetted the crimes."

I have absolutely no problem believing that some German military of that era were complicit -- and I have no problem believing that Kaiser Wilhelm II knew (going back to 1895-96) but could care less, he needed the Turks for his plans in the Middle East and later, the world.

RE: the Russians took Ottoman territories that'd been Turkish for a thousand years and did ethnic cleansing on a grand scale.

I'm glad that you mentioned that. Since the Russians did it and the Bolsheviks soon thereafter had control of Russia and marched into Armenia, it's not surprising that those pesky massacres have been ignored by all except the Turks. Though I know very little about the details.

128 posted on 10/16/2007 10:34:33 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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