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Question: Did President Lincoln Destroy The U.S.? (Vanity)

Posted on 10/14/2007 7:14:10 AM PDT by proudofthesouth

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To: ElkGroveDan
FDR's Social Security was a dangerous gambit doomed to long term failure but LBJ's Great Society was when the Federal government skyrocketed out of control.

The post civil war Federal Government looked like a tea party compared to the post LBJ Federal agency alphabet soup.

imho LBJ was the most horrible and dangerous President in our history, and when the nation does fall he will be the single person most responsible.
61 posted on 10/14/2007 8:32:55 AM PDT by cgbg ("I give you health care and I say 'no smoking'". "Yass'm Miss Hillary.")
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To: ElkGroveDan

Don’t forget about the illegals. Our elections are becoming more and more polluted—making it harder to summon our national will. I have even heard some liberals advocate that foreign nationals (world-wide) be allowed to vote in our elections because of the high level in influence America exercises over the rest of the world.


the downhill trend that you observe can be more directly linked to allowing women to vote .
...and teenagers, and homeless bums (motor voter act).


62 posted on 10/14/2007 8:33:41 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: proudofthesouth
Man...the Civil war is so old news.

Slavery was wrong - it is too bad we had to fight about it way back when, but we did, slavery in our country is rightly over, and it's very silly to ask stupid questions like this.

If you're looking to blame something for the current state of affairs...well, I blame CNN. And maybe McDonalds.

I love living in the south, I enjoy my southern friends, I ain't leaving, and I wish all y'all would get over the 'yankee' thang.

Since you asked a silly question:

30 things you will never hear a southern boy say...

30. Oh I just couldn't, she's only sixteen.
29. I'll take Shakespeare for 1000, Alex.
28. Duct tape won't fix that.
27. Come to think of it, I'll have a Heineken.
26. We don't keep firearms in this house.
25. You can't feed that to the dog.
24. No kids in the back of the pickup, it's just not safe.
23. Wrestling's fake.
22. We're vegetarians.
21. Do you think my gut is too big?
20. I'll have grapefruit and grapes instead of biscuits and gravy.
19. Honey, we don't need another dog.
18. Who gives a dang who won the Civil War?
17. Give me the small bag of pork rinds.
16. Too many deer heads detract from the decor.
15. I just couldn't find a thing at Wal-Mart today.
14. Trim the fat off that steak.
13. Cappuccino tastes better than espresso.
12. The tires on that truck are too big.
11. I've got it all on the C: drive.
10. Unsweetened tea tastes better.
9. My fiancee, Bobbie Jo, is registered at Tiffany's.
8. I've got two cases of Zima for the Super Bowl.
7. Checkmate.
6. She's too young to be wearing a bikini.
5. Hey, here's an episode of "Hee Haw" that we haven't seen.
4. I don't have a favorite college team.
3. You All.
2. Those shorts ought to be a little longer, Betty Mae.
AND NUMBER ONE....
1. Nope, no more for me. I'm driving.

63 posted on 10/14/2007 8:35:50 AM PDT by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Tom Daschle is deeply saddened... Remember him? Bahahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: proudofthesouth

Our downfall really accelerated when writers, for unknown reasons, invented the word “loosing,” ignoring the proper word “losing.” “Loozing” I could understand, but not “loosing.”


64 posted on 10/14/2007 8:38:33 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: cgbg

To get a rock to roll all the way to the bottom of the mountain takes several pushes along the way.


65 posted on 10/14/2007 8:38:57 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

Okay, I can take a joke. I’ll admit those are funny! :-)


66 posted on 10/14/2007 8:39:25 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: dinoparty

(6) Use the power of the Supreme Court to declare prohibition or restrictions on slavery by states unconstitutional. Chief Justice Taney was working on just such a decision when the war broke out. (Surprising, since a case with such a decision as a possibility wasn’t before the Court at the time.)

Of course, any attempt to enforce such a decision would have led to civil war anyway.


67 posted on 10/14/2007 8:43:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SampleMan

Slavery had to go away, and its grave moral affliction easily trumped any other merit of the case. By staking state’s rights to slavery, the South greatly wounded state’s rights. It would be like staking parental rights to incest.
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Bingo.


68 posted on 10/14/2007 8:44:00 AM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: puroresu
Here's a couple more:

Q: How can you tell when a southern girl is ready for sex?
A: When she puts her drink down and yells 'I am soooo drunk'!

Q: Wny don't southern gals participate in orgies?
A: Because they'd have to write too many thank you notes.

69 posted on 10/14/2007 8:44:00 AM PDT by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Tom Daschle is deeply saddened... Remember him? Bahahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: MountainPete

preserved The Union, destroyed The Republic, and layed the foundation for Empire, eh?


70 posted on 10/14/2007 8:46:14 AM PDT by flowerplough (San Francisco -- penises in male rectums, and little else. see "Folsom Street Fair".)
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To: proudofthesouth
>>>Did President Lincoln Destroy The U.S.?

Your headline is an internally answered question.

Since had Lincoln not prevailed, the states that claimed to make up the Confederacy would have become dis-united from the United States, ergo, the states would no longer have been united, ergo there would have been no United States.

Had the Confederacy succeeded, Rhode Island would have certainly succeeded over the Bicycle Riders issue within a few years, and Pennsylvania and New Jersey, and possibly New York would have succeeded soon after that on the issue of Interdigitation.

It would then be all over.

71 posted on 10/14/2007 8:50:26 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: theBuckwheat
the North invaded the South to enforce collection of the Tariff of Abomination.

The Tariff of Abominations was passed in 1828 and revoked in 1833. This was the high point of conflict between sections over tariffs, which diminished steadily thereafter.

To claim that the North invaded the South in 1861 to enforce a tariff that had been removed almost 30 years previously shows a remarkable lack of historical knowledge.

72 posted on 10/14/2007 8:50:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ggekko60506
Granting women full suffrage started the downhill slide of our great nation which continues to this day.

That didn't happen for another 50 years. Perhaps you would like to count women as property or 3/5ths of a person. Do you like the idea of slavery as well?

73 posted on 10/14/2007 8:51:30 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: SampleMan
"Hogwash. See my #9."

I did, hence my comment about the roots of the slave trade because of your tagline.

And, I must somewhat respectfully disagree that the South damaged the Republic. By original concept, the states had the right to reject the mandates of the federal government, up to and including the right to "quit the club."

Or, was the Republic like the Mafia: Once you join, you're in for life.

I'm not defending the practice of slavery. That odious practice was bound to fail at some point or another. I just found (and find) it ironic that our current mortal enemy sewed the seeds of our destruction over 200 years ago.

74 posted on 10/14/2007 8:51:31 AM PDT by MountainPete (democrats are Liars . . . the Truth ain't in 'em!)
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To: live+let_live
I guess I should expand on my post a little bit.

Three of LBJ's creations have been incredibly destructive of the fabric of the nation:

(1) Medicare--this long term entitlement will ultimately grow faster than any part of the Federal budget. It is a sacred cow to pay for senior health care, and with the baby boomers reaching their senior years and the growth in expensive (and effective) health care technology expanding life expectency and survival rates from previously fatal diseases will create an unfunded federal and state liability beyond our wildest imaginations.

(2) Medicaid--Our failure to enforce the immigration laws has turned this "health care for the poor" program into a feeding frenzy that has had explosive growth since LBJ's day. It will exceed Social Security in its long-term impact on the Federal debt.

(3) HUD--Visit any major or mid-size US city and tour the residential areas in 1960 vs. today. The results speak for themselves. A nation without great cities where people are safe and comfortable can not long survive as a great nation. Every HUD program to fix poverty just seems to make it worse. What HUD could have done would have been to oppose the environmental lobby and the local regulatory frenzy to support privately funded truly affordable housing. Instead they have chosen to just add to the problem with another layer of bureaucracy that increases the costs of housing in all cities.
75 posted on 10/14/2007 8:51:47 AM PDT by cgbg ("I give you health care and I say 'no smoking'". "Yass'm Miss Hillary.")
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To: proudofthesouth

The War between the States had been building since the early 1800’s. John C. Calhoun foretold the Civil War and the reasons for it.

There is no question that the more powerful northern states were in control of the federal government, and were passing laws to their benefit and the souths detriment. Slavery (or rather the constitutional right to own slaves) was the flash point.

An end to slavery meant the destruction of the South’s agrarian economy. (Exactly what happened in the Reconstruction). Nullification and disunion by the States was blocked time and again. After the Supreme Court ruled in the south’s favor in the Drew Scott case, and northern states ignored it, war was inevitable.

Was it Lincoln’s fault?....no. It was the North’s responsibility as a whole. The war changed forever the right of states to rule themselves, giving us our runaway federal government, and the loss of many liberties.

My own opinion that slavery in the South would have disappeared with the advent of the cotton gin and other technological advances. The South would have followed Britain’s lead when it was possible. Freeing the slaves was not the reason for the Civil War, it was a power play pure and simple, and the South lost.


76 posted on 10/14/2007 8:53:12 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: AuntB

I can understand women reacting negatively to an argument that they shouldn’t vote, but there are good arguments along those lines. And they aren’t based on any disregard for women. After all, chivalry existed during the many centuries when women lacked the vote.


77 posted on 10/14/2007 8:58:54 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: cgbg

It’s a little off topic but does tail into the expansion of the Federal Government into our lives. Your tagline: “I give you health care and I say ‘no smoking”

I tell my kids, “as long as I’m paying your bills, you’re living the way I tell you.”

It’s the same. If we give the Government the responsibility of paying for our healthcare, it would be irresponsible of the Government not to enforce healthy lifestyles. No smoking, no fatty foods, no drinking, forced preventative medical care, forced 1 hour per day rigerous exercise, kill the old and sickly.


78 posted on 10/14/2007 9:01:56 AM PDT by live+let_live
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican
Man...the Civil war is so old news. Slavery was wrong - it is too bad we had to fight about it way back when, but we did, slavery in our country is rightly over, and it's very silly to ask stupid questions like this."

Man...I hope the top of your post was in the same humorous vein as your 30 things list, or I don't know where to begin!

79 posted on 10/14/2007 9:04:32 AM PDT by MountainPete (democrats are Liars . . . the Truth ain't in 'em!)
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To: A.Hun
in the Drew Scott case

in the Dred Scott case

More coffee needed

80 posted on 10/14/2007 9:06:00 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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