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Royal Air Force cuts to axe quarter of key bombers
The Sunday Times,U.K ^ | October 7, 2007 | Michael Smith

Posted on 10/06/2007 8:37:04 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

October 7, 2007

RAF cuts to axe quarter of key bombers

Michael Smith

The RAF is to lose a quarter of its frontline bomber force and two bases in new cuts to be pushed through by the Treasury, according to senior defence sources.

Two squadrons of Tornado GR4 ground attack aircraft will be scrapped, cutting the RAF’s frontline squadrons from eight to six. One helicopter base and one training base will also be closed, with the land sold off to raise cash.

The move comes as the Royal Navy is braced for big cuts to its surface fleet with all four Type22 frigates and a destroyer set to be axed “as soon as possible”. Other ships are under threat.

An internal e-mail leaked last month said that the “poor” deal for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) from the government’s Comprehensive Spending Review meant the loss of five ships by April.

Although the MoD has been promised a 1.5% increase in real terms in its budget over the next three years, the cost of future projects such as two new aircraft carriers is forcing it to make cuts elsewhere.

The sources said the MoD “equipment plan” for 2008 – which details all planned purchases – was rejected last month as too costly, largely as a result of urgently needed kit for troops in Iraq.

The cuts to the RAF come despite an insistence last month by Sir Glenn Torpy, chief of the air staff, that it was already “as lean as it can get”. In 2004 the RAF was forced to cut a quarter of its frontline squadrons, one base and 7,500 personnel.

“The idea of getting rid of two of the very few squadrons capable of providing our troops on the ground with close air support, just as the Tornado is set to go to Afghanistan, is a sign of how stupid these people are,” one senior source said.

The two Tornado GR4 squadrons to be scrapped are expected to be one each from the aircraft’s bases at RAF Marham in Norfolk and RAF Lossiemouth, Morayshire; 13 Squadron, based at Marham, is at present training over Scotland for a deployment to Afghanistan next year.

There are three Tornado GR4 squadrons at each base. A squadron has 12 aircraft with 15 crews and four aircraft held in reserve. The other two frontline ground attack aircraft squadrons are equipped with the ageing Harrier aircraft.

The two bases to be scrapped have not yet been named but it is believed that one of them is Odiham, Hampshire, home of the RAF’s Chinook fleet. It is seen as being the most vulnerable because its prime position within the extended London commuter belt would make its sale highly profitable.

The most likely training base closure would see the end of RAF Linton-on-Ouse in North Yorkshire, with all fast jet training amalgamated at RAF Valley in Anglesey. Linton-on-Ouse was a famous second world war bomber station once commanded by Arthur “Bomber” Harris, head of Bomber Command, and later Group Captain Leonard Cheshire VC, founder of the international charity bearing his name.

Moving its 78 Tucano training aircraft to Anglesey is likely to be unpopular because it will mean increased numbers of low-flying aircraft over Wales, which have always been a serious irritation for local farmers.

The cuts come despite a shortage of fast jet aircraft for operations and a need to limit the hours that each aircraft flies so that the Harrier fleet can stay operational until its replacement in 2017. A lack of long runways has seen the short take-off and landing Harrier providing close air support to British troops in Afghanistan.

John Nichol, the navigator of an RAF Tornado shot down over Iraq during the 1991 Gulf war, said the cuts left the RAF with “a disaster waiting to happen”.

“When we were flying over Iraq during the Gulf war we thought we were being stretched to the absolute limit,” he said. “The men and women flying now are working 100 times harder than we ever had to do. They are asked to do far more with far less.

“The military are their worst enemies. Their can-do attitude means they will always strive to do the job regardless of the resources the politicians give them. This isa disaster in the making, it really is.”

The cuts are not the RAF’s only problems. The government’s deal to sell 75 Typhoon aircraft to Saudi Arabia and the decision to use the new Typhoon aircraft in Afghanistan mean that some Tornado F3 fighters will have to stay in service for another eight years.

The F3 was due to be scrapped next year and replaced by the Typhoon – formerly known as the Eurofighter. But the controversial al-Salam deal with Riyadh will mean that there are insufficient aircraft to cover Britain’s air defences. Consequently, the F3 will stay in service till 2015.

An MoD spokesman said talk of cuts to the RAF and Royal Navy were part of an initial phase of discussions ahead of next year’s planning round and no firm decisions had been taken.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aerospace; britain; fighter; panaviatornado; raf; rn; royalnavy; uk
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1 posted on 10/06/2007 8:37:09 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Such short-term, small minded thinking.


2 posted on 10/06/2007 8:38:39 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: sukhoi-30mki

WTF?


3 posted on 10/06/2007 8:44:43 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: sukhoi-30mki

There’s some brilliant thinking going on in the UK.
The Ruskies, ME wacko’s, and Chinese are all expanding rapidly, preparing for war, and the UK is chopping defense.

Gezz, even Canada is doubling it’s forces.

On the otherhand, with Islam taking over the UK, it might be a good thing that the UK is melting down it’s hardware.


4 posted on 10/06/2007 9:10:17 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: sukhoi-30mki
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5 posted on 10/06/2007 9:33:21 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The queen is the daughter of George VI,the grand daughter of George V ,the blood relative of Earl Mountbatten despite what you think of him still a patriot,why dosen’t she speak up in defense of her realm especially after she has presided over the setting of the sun over the British Empire! Oops, I think I know but I’ll let the freepers confirm my belief!
6 posted on 10/06/2007 10:25:53 PM PDT by bonehead4freedom (The real way to stop crime is to hug a thug! More midnight basketball!)
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Yeah, but the Brits have socialized medicine.


7 posted on 10/06/2007 10:32:55 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So sad to see their best shoved to the end of the queue.


8 posted on 10/06/2007 10:52:41 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Nathan Zachary

The UK welfare state no longer allows big time defense spending. Guns or butter.


9 posted on 10/06/2007 11:39:15 PM PDT by squidly
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"a sign of how stupid these people are,”

Says it all.

10 posted on 10/06/2007 11:50:46 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“Yeah, but the Brits have socialized medicine.”

Exactly. In 25 years they won’t have an Army, Navy or Air Force, but mediocre, rationed health care will still be “free.”

Mrs. Clinton, please pick up the white courtesy phone...


11 posted on 10/06/2007 11:59:24 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: bonehead4freedom
I think I know but I’ll let the freepers confirm my belief!

I sure that you know that he British consider it 'unconstitutional' for the Queen to say a political word not approved by the Prime Minister.

12 posted on 10/07/2007 12:03:36 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Like i have been saying for years, the UK is withdrawing from the world stage and can no longer be relied on as an ally.

Its time we cooled off relations with the UK and found some allies who want to fight.


13 posted on 10/07/2007 1:45:10 AM PDT by Axlrose
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hmmm...72 aircraft going down to 48. That will leave the equivalent of 2-3 US-sized squadrons - fewer aircraft than one normal US base has.

They might as well eliminate the RAF completely, and announce they will no longer participate in any wars where the USAF doesn’t provide them with protection.


14 posted on 10/07/2007 2:31:14 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
The Queen does have the right to advise,consent and warn the government under their system but since she has presided over a period of national decline since she came to the throne I wouldn't look for her to say anything.The British lost an empire abroad and now their working on losing their country at home.
15 posted on 10/07/2007 6:56:46 AM PDT by bonehead4freedom (The real way to stop crime is to hug a thug! More midnight basketball!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Who will the UK look to to defend its interest in the world...Canada?


16 posted on 10/07/2007 6:59:36 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: The Great RJ

Re post 16. The way things are going, maybe.


17 posted on 10/07/2007 7:03:29 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Gezz, even Canada is doubling it’s forces.

LOL. You mean they are going to 120,000 and raising their expenditures on defense above 1.1% of GDP? Canada spent $16.9 billion on defense in 2006/07.

The UK is facing the same problem most of Europe is facing, i.e., an ageing population and the demands of overly generous social welfare systems. They must choose between guns and butter. As long as the US provides their security umbrella, courtesey of the US taxpayer, they will choose butter. We may face the same kinds of decisions in the not so distant future.

18 posted on 10/07/2007 7:04:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: The Great RJ

They have plenty of bombers in the UK just none that fit the rec. sarc


19 posted on 10/07/2007 7:10:01 AM PDT by colonialhk (Power and Money,the new mantra of the left!)
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To: The Great RJ

BTTT.


20 posted on 10/07/2007 9:27:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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