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"The War" (by Ken Burns) Part 3 of 7; Airing on PBS @ 7PM Central 9-24-07
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Posted on 09/25/2007 4:18:57 PM PDT by VOA

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To: SuzanneC

Yes, apparently not related to Joshua Chamberlain, but his dad was at Bellea Wood.


61 posted on 09/25/2007 6:34:40 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

Those German paratroopers at Cassino were some damn good soldiers.


62 posted on 09/25/2007 6:36:35 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

I’ve got Andy Andrews on DVD with The Seven Decisions. He illustrates the “butterfly effect” with Joshua Chamberlain’s story and how this country wouldn’t be what it is today if he had not charged.


63 posted on 09/25/2007 6:37:48 PM PDT by SuzanneC
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To: mware
I tell ya what I give those men who were black and joined the Corp credit.

Any and all colors...bless 'em all.

With regard to the black volunteers/draftees, they surely did have
a hard shake.
And even though it was a dramatic portrayal, I remember one of the
main charachters in "Roots" that went off to WWI, only to realize
that he was returning home to a much less pleasant time than he had in
the Army while in France.

I wouldn't be suprised if many black volunteers joined up with hopes
of being so outstanding...that maybe things "back home" would be
loosened up in recognition of their effort/sacrifice.

All of the subject above is worthy of some mention in "The War",
I just hope that after seeing the whole show, Burns' treatment
of race relations and the Japanese-American internment will look
like it was not out of proportion to the work as a whole.
64 posted on 09/25/2007 6:39:21 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

Yes, I am sure the fathers of those world war one, doughboy thought things would change while fighting in the civil war.


65 posted on 09/25/2007 6:41:32 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA

Damn, suddenly the screen became all misty, when they told about Babe’s death.


66 posted on 09/25/2007 6:43:57 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

I thought that the “Red of The A&P” column from Luverne, MN, as read by
Tom Hanks was the sort of magic...
that today’s newspaper writers can’t (and/or WON’T) produce.

And that was just in one small home-town newspaper.


67 posted on 09/25/2007 6:49:08 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

OK,
Part 4 tomorrow night: D-Day

(I do like the Band of Brothers’ label “The Day of Days”)


68 posted on 09/25/2007 6:50:45 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

I’m reminded of the movie “The Tuskegee Airmen”, a must see.

I don’t know how historically accurate it is, but is inspirational and deeply moving, especially the final moments.

Highly recommended. Great men, the Airmen.


69 posted on 09/25/2007 6:54:35 PM PDT by Interious
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To: VOA

“Well, I suspect that PBS probably insisted such agenda items had
to be included.”
.....EXACTLY!!....glad somebody had the guts to sat it....primarily this show is obsessed with victimization and oppression....secondarily, it is obsessed with attacking military leaders....Schwinfurt was a disaster, Tarawa was a disaster, Anzio was a disaster, Cassino was a disaster...you’d think we were losing the war....the great and brilliant victory at Midway was given one sentence tonight....a huge turning point and it got one sentence!....and what about the great stories of selfless individual heroism.....where are they?....PBS hates the military....all they do is find fault.

I’m so glad WWII occurred during my parents generation....if it were to happen today outfits like PBS, the networks, NY Times, Wash Post, Hollywood ect would try to made us lose.


70 posted on 09/25/2007 7:43:43 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: sneakers
Dad entered the army in the fall of 1943. Served in New Guinea and Luzon.

My father enlisted in early '42. He trained for what turned out to be the North Africa invasion but got side tracked into an MP unit for almost a year. He wound up going to the SW Pacific as a 32nd Infantry Div. replacement in '43. He also served on New Guinea. He helped take back Leyte Island but went MIA over Christmas '44 and then was hospitalized so he never made it to Luzon. He was in army hospitals until April '46.

71 posted on 09/25/2007 7:52:24 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: STONEWALLS
Schwinfurt was a disaster, Tarawa was a disaster, Anzio was a disaster,
Cassino was a disaster...


One does get the feeling that Burns could have benefited from
some anti-depressants.
After watching the archival film used in the Schweinfurt raids,
a naive viewer might reasonably think that gunners on B-17s never
left a scratch on a single German airplane.
72 posted on 09/25/2007 7:55:36 PM PDT by VOA
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To: mware

“After dad died we put together two volumes of the V-mail he sent home.”

we have done the same thing with my Dad’s letters from the S. Pacific....they were forbidden from saying where they were however....from the combat patch on his Eisenhouer jacket I learned his outfit....from there I can match the dates on his letters with his unit history....thus I can read the letters and follow on the map as they hopped from island to island.....may I suggest as a tool:

“Finding Your Father’s War” by Jonathan Gawne published by Casemate Publishing 2006....”a practical guide to researching and understanding service in the WWII US Army”


73 posted on 09/25/2007 7:59:16 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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“a naive viewer might reasonably think that gunners on B-17s never
left a scratch on a single German airplane.”

I couldn’t agree more!....you know I once saw an interview with a highly decorated German Luftwaffe pilot....he spoke of his absolute terror when he dove into a box formation of B-17s....it was all he could do to control himself and his plane as he watched all those .50s swinging around to train on him....and then they opened up, sending streams of 750 gr. rounds trying to tear him out of the sky.


74 posted on 09/25/2007 8:12:25 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: STONEWALLS
from there I can match the dates on his letters with his unit history....thus I can read the letters and follow on the map as they hopped from island to island...

I was able to do the same with the v-mail letters my father sent to his parents from the Pacific. Somewhere along the line my mother got them and I found them after she died. The letters are amazingly innocuous in light of the kind of hell the war in the south Pacific was like. (As if there is any other kind.) I also found the 32nd Division Association website and learned they were to have a reunion here in northern California a few years ago. I met a lot of his comrades but none who remembered him or were in his Company. I don't think many besides my father survived the war. They got stuck out in the wilds of Leyte Island without supplies and were missing for about three weeks. I might try to find the book you mentioned in your post. Thanks for the tip.

75 posted on 09/25/2007 8:17:09 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

What I’m finding interesting in a lot of the footage used in this series, is how much of it was in color. Stuff I’ve never seen before, such as landings on Islands in the Pacific, or on the beaches in Italy. I’m really enjoying this color footage. Wonder where he dug it all up from. Lot’s of research had to have gone into this documentary. Many, many hours of work and editing. By the way, I like the music that Wynton Marsalis has done for the background. Some of it is very unusual, and frankly eery, when used during battle scenes. Very unique.


76 posted on 09/25/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

My dad’s division was headed to Leyte, but was diverted to Luzon instead. My dad died in 2000. Is your dad still with us? If so, thank him for his service. I never really appreciated what they did until dad died and I started looking into it.


77 posted on 09/25/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by sneakers (This Pennsylvania gal supports DUNCAN HUNTER for President!)
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To: STONEWALLS
How many times do we have to see the Colored Only drinking fountain? I've counted about 4 times so far.
78 posted on 09/25/2007 8:33:35 PM PDT by Master of Orion
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To: sneakers
Is your dad still with us? If so, thank him for his service.

No, he died in 1958. But I will send him your thanks anyway. I learned from an Army historian that a large number of vets who had fought in the Pacific died 10-15 years after they returned. Jungle warfare did permanent damage whether you were hit by enemy fire or not. He did, however meet my mother, marry and have a son in the time he had.

79 posted on 09/25/2007 8:34:43 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: VOA

The first two nights were good, but tonight we are being punished with liberal guilt. I understand we had internment camps and segregation....report it and move on. Tonight has been 20% history and 80% lib hand wringing.


80 posted on 09/25/2007 8:40:35 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (Hillary Supporters ....... Fags and Hags)
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