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Brown refuses to condemn MoveOn
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | September 20, 2007 | Stephen Koff

Posted on 09/20/2007 3:16:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58

The U.S. Senate voted this morning to express its support for Gen. David Petreaus, commander of United States forces in Iraq, and to condemn MoveOn.org for its New York Times ad last week calling him "General Betray Us." Critics have said the ad bordered on traitorous.

But 25 Democrats, including Ohio's Sherrod Brown, voted against the Senate amendment.

MoveOn helped Brown raise $287,623 for his election last year, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

In a news conference this morning, President Bush called the ad "disgusting," adding, "I was disappointed that not more leaders in the Democratic Party spoke out more strongly against that kind of ad."

UPDATE: While Brown voted against the amendment condemning MoveOn for its anti-Petreaus ad, he voted for a Democratic alternative that condemned all attacks on service members, past and present.

The difference?

The alternative included condemnations of past attacks on veterans including former Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia and current Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate.

"Senator Brown voted for the amendment defending the patriotism of all men and women in uniform, past and present, including General Petreaus, Senator Cleland, and Senator Kerry," said a statement from Brown spokeswoman Bethany Lesser. "There were two amendments; one that condemned a special interest group, and one that condemned attacks on members of the military. Senator Brown voted to support all of our troops."

Republicans see a distinction: Kerry and Cleland were criticized long after their service, in the midst of political campaigns. Petreaus is in the midst of a war, however unpopular, right now.

The alternative amendment failed, with only two Republicans voting for it: Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.


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1 posted on 09/20/2007 3:16:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58
I'm not from Ohio, but her ads oozed over here in western Pennsylvania last year. My impression is that she'd give Pat Murry a good run for the honor of "dumbest member of the U.S. Senate." Am I right?

Granted that she was running against a RINO Doofus, but I still couldn't see the appeal. At least the Soros sock-puppet elected over here had a pedigree.

2 posted on 09/20/2007 3:30:07 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Graybeard58

What’s appropriate now is an ad depicting these 25 Liberal traitors as exactly that anti-American, anti-military sleaze. IMO, the Administration has sucked up these traitors’ dirty tactics for the past seven years. It’s way past time to use their tactics on them.


3 posted on 09/20/2007 3:37:16 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“What’s appropriate now is an ad depicting these 25 Liberal traitors as exactly that anti-American, anti-military sleaze. IMO, the Administration has sucked up these traitors’ dirty tactics for the past seven years. It’s way past time to use their tactics on them.”

Well said. I share your thoughts. This is EXACTLY what needs to be done. Major ads in every major newspaper in America. How about throwing in a little background information on those behind MOVEON?


4 posted on 09/20/2007 4:10:23 PM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: Graybeard58
The alternative amendment failed, with only two Republicans voting for it: Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.

Our knucklehead chorus sings again.

5 posted on 09/20/2007 4:12:29 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Absolutely correct!


6 posted on 09/20/2007 4:34:13 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Vigilanteman
I'm not from Ohio, but her ads oozed...

His.

A socialist to the core.

7 posted on 09/20/2007 5:03:29 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Loyal Buckeye

Yea, he is not as open as Bernie Sanders but they buy their hammer and sickle from the same store.


8 posted on 09/20/2007 5:05:02 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Graybeard58

“The alternative amendment failed, with only two Republicans voting for it: Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.”

Chafee’s gone, Hagel’s gone, Specter and Graham ought to be next.


9 posted on 09/20/2007 5:06:35 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Graybeard58
President Bush called the ad "disgusting," adding, "I was disappointed that not more leaders in the Democratic Party spoke out more strongly against that kind of ad."

Hey George, you are being adversarial with the democrats. Can't we all just get along? Sheesh!

10 posted on 09/20/2007 5:31:38 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

My bad. Brown is a him. So he can at least be the dumbest member of the senate with a penis now that Mark Dayton has retired?


11 posted on 09/20/2007 8:46:06 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Graybeard58

Our Senator from Ohio is an embarassment for this state. During his campaign, he used Al Franken as a guest speaker for a conference call for those supporters caring to join in.


13 posted on 09/21/2007 9:54:28 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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Our Senator from Ohio is an embarassment for this state.

We all have our embarrassments. I live in Illinois and have two of them. Durbin/Obama.

14 posted on 09/21/2007 9:57:21 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

My deepest and sincere condolences.


15 posted on 09/21/2007 10:02:44 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Graybeard58

He did vote for Boxer’s amendment condemning the ad, but Republicans were far too hypocritical to vote for that one. I guess these sorts of ads are ok when they do it....


16 posted on 09/21/2007 11:41:15 AM PDT by eraser2005
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The left is trying to say that what moveon did was no different than what the swift boat vets did to kerry. There’s a huge difference though,Petraus is a hero and kerry is a cowardly traitor bastard.


17 posted on 09/21/2007 11:45:24 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: eraser2005

There is a HUGE difference....moveon.org attacked an active duty general who is running the war in Iraq. The attacks on Kerry, Bush, and others were in the context of a political run for office.

Typical dem/lib media spin that there is no difference between the two. As for Mr. Obama’s statement that he didn’t participate in the vote because of whatever, he DID vote on the Boxer amendment, so his words are as hollow as he is.


18 posted on 09/21/2007 11:46:38 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: Graybeard58

And you think the attacks on Cleland were warranted, too?


19 posted on 09/21/2007 11:47:15 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: GOP_Lady

Republicans were just outnumbered and outvoted in Ohio last year.


20 posted on 09/21/2007 11:49:36 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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