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Who bears blame for anti-war failures? (Barf Alert!)
The Politico ^ | September 18, 2007 | Dan Gerstein

Posted on 09/19/2007 12:00:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Amazing how many lies can be shoe-horned into so few paragraphs.
1 posted on 09/19/2007 12:00:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The truth is, that during the 60’s most young Americans were not part of the counter culture movement. They were patriotic Americans who actually admired their parents generation. I was ten years old in 1967. I didn’t like Hippies then and I like them less now.


2 posted on 09/19/2007 12:07:25 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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So The Politico let's ignorant liberals write for them?

How disappointing

3 posted on 09/19/2007 12:08:15 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you live in the liberal altered reality state it is easy to pack in the lies. Truth is entirely relative and subject to be re-invented if it does not fit with their agendas. Page 2, top of the page of the liberal handbook.


4 posted on 09/19/2007 12:08:26 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08!)
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“Democrats’ biggest problem on Iraq these days is not that there’s too much Bush Lite but that there’s too much Bush Left.”

The Democrats biggest problem is that they won’t be able to get President Bush to accept the defeat that they have been pushing for.


5 posted on 09/19/2007 12:11:42 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: massgopguy

I was seven that year, but I remember. Many people voted for George Wallace in 1968 as a protest against the counter culture. I think Ameriprise Financial is making a mistake using Dennis Hopper as their spokeman. That will alienate over half of the Boomers.


6 posted on 09/19/2007 12:13:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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Actually, its a candid assessment of the Left's own extremism. These people shoot themselves in the foot when compromise would do them good. In essence, they've emerged with the same traits they hate in the President and in the process, they've turned off the moderate middle. Good job, MoveOn!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 09/19/2007 12:13:55 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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"Why has the anti-war movement been unable to translate the clear public mandate they claim into any clear change in our government’s Iraq policy?"

Because they have abandoned true liberal policy for political gain? Ya think?

8 posted on 09/19/2007 12:15:12 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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Why isn't the "antiwar" movement gaining traction in DC? First, because a claimed "mandate" isn't a real one, and just talking about it as if it were an established fact makes the speaker look parochial and foolish. Second, because we aren't losing, and just talking about it as if it were an established fact makes the speaker look parochial and foolish. Third, because those of us forced to participate in the great Vietnam media follies got a bellyful of bullsh*t and aren't going to let it happen again. And fourth, because the incredible smugness and moral superiority of the "antiwar" side doesn't really translate into votes in the real world and the Dems in Congress know it.

The best way to stop a war is to win it. Someone who is truly anti-war instead of merely anti-Bush or anti-American would recognize that. The people we're fighting aren't into negotiations unless it's a surrender and that turns out to be a tough sell in DC. What surprises me is that it surprises anyone.

9 posted on 09/19/2007 12:21:15 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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From what I’ve read about many of the 1960s “rallies”, some band would be giving a free concert in the park and some stinking socialists would take the stage (and the mike) away from the performers.

The crowds were not always gathered for political reasons. But the politicos claimed them as their “supporters”.


10 posted on 09/19/2007 12:29:29 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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“Why has the anti-war movement been unable to translate the clear public mandate they claim into any clear change in our government’s Iraq policy?”
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For a self proclaimed anti-war pol/leader to actually get a resolution to the war by bringing home the troops, etc., is like asking a skunk to take a bath.

He/she would suddenly be transformed into someone w/o a cause in which to be a leader. Like the freshly bathed skunk, the pol would initially “smell better” but ultimately return to the “smelly and anonomous beast” he is.


11 posted on 09/19/2007 12:31:07 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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".. there are no good choices here for progressives.."

I disagree. Lefties, like they did before the air campaign against Saddam, can go to Iraq and be human shields. I suggest hundreds of thousands can disperse amongst the noble liberation fighters. I'll call them Carrie Brigades, in memory of Rachel Carrie, Peace Be Upon Her.

12 posted on 09/19/2007 12:40:54 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad you're not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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Why has the anti-war movement been unable to translate the clear public mandate they claim into any clear change in our government’s Iraq policy?

Because nobody is being drafted out of his safe, soft life.

13 posted on 09/19/2007 12:41:40 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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Yes...and that mysterious “skunk” smell they carry around with them is the scent of communism.
14 posted on 09/19/2007 12:41:58 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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Might I make a suggestion?

Don’t read beyond the headline.

My point being, isn’t that very very satisfying, in light of what we all thought after last November’s election cycle?

This is the only way a liberal can admit defeat...yep, the ‘reasoning’ found in this article is pathetic, but focus on the big, bright, glowing ‘warm fuzzy’ the title gives you, when you think it over.

Hope that helps. It sure gives me pleasure.

6 for 06 has turned into ‘1 and done’. And note the latest polling data on the congress itself, its never been lower from what I’m seeing.


15 posted on 09/19/2007 12:44:31 PM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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Not to be picky, but you misspelled piss, as in “piss be upon her” ref: Rachel Corrie.


16 posted on 09/19/2007 12:44:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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That would be a waste of good, natural ammonia.


17 posted on 09/19/2007 12:48:56 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad you're not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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The Democrats won control of the House and Senate last fall, but the Nutroots overreached in claiming a mandate they were not given to "end the war now." Just like Hillary Clinton thought she had a mandate to socialize health care in 1993. Democrats constantly overreach when they win. They do not know the art of compromise or conciliation. They were SOBs when they ran the House for 40 years before 1994 and they are SOBs now.

The last paragraph of the article really says it all. This is NOT an anti-war movement, it is an anti-Bush movement dressed up in an anti-war movement's clothing. They do not see surrender in Iraq as bad for America, just bad for George Bush and so it must happen.

18 posted on 09/19/2007 12:51:51 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Remember the Pentagon - - www.pentagonmemorial.net)
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“However, for the anti-war forces to consolidate and build on those gains, they are probably going to have to make some concessions of their own and accept some kind of bipartisan compromise along the lines that Reid is proposing.”

Be prepared to see more and more of this type of persuasion coming from the left. They know Hillary will be the candidate and are attempting to assuage the anti-war crowd and get them back into the fold. Kos is doing the same with his folks.


19 posted on 09/19/2007 12:55:30 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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There’s not one word in this screed about what’s in the United States’ interests or in the best interest of our national security. Not one. Nothing about winning; nothing about furthering our national interests; nothing about the interests of Iraqis in having a free nation; nothing but their moronic plan to ensure a defeat and a crushing blow to our national credibility. Morons, every one of them.


20 posted on 09/19/2007 12:56:14 PM PDT by hsalaw
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