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Republican Attempt to Steal California's Votes
Barbrastreisand.com ^ | 09/09/07 | Barbra Streisand

Posted on 09/18/2007 1:24:44 PM PDT by presidio9

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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
"These Bolshevik idiots are priceless."

If anything, the California Republican idea is closer to Bolshevism than what Babs wrote.

Yes the Republicans can get a short term gain by getting some California votes. But eventually every state will go to the same system, and we will no longer be a federation of states, but a pure democracy of individual voters.

In such a case urban areas would rule over rural ones as candidates would get the most bang for the buck by focusing their campaigning in densely populated areas.

Then you would have a pack of demagogues fanning the fears and anxieties of an angry mob of disgruntled urbanites in order to get elected.

Now that is the essence of Bolshevism!

21 posted on 09/18/2007 1:39:29 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: presidio9

Notice how personal the attacks from libs are?

She name calls: “Dishonest”

even though it would be fairer, and make California relevent again.


22 posted on 09/18/2007 1:39:59 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008; mark my words.)
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To: presidio9

Are these whiners the same people who think Gore won?


23 posted on 09/18/2007 1:40:54 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Loud Mime

Just like how they wanted the recount in Florida in 2000. They only wanted recounts in selected, targeted counties, not the entire state.

But, hey babs, why not just come out and admit it’s all about stacking the deck to favor the commies, you dried up old skank hag?


24 posted on 09/18/2007 1:41:08 PM PDT by henkster (The dems have reserved your place on the collective farm.)
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To: Brilliant
"But Barbara... Shouldn’t every vote be counted?"

If you bothered to read the entire essay you would have seen that she ultimately agrees with the Republicans, but only if all of the states go to the same system.

Another bozo republican idea. Similar to Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act" which got people to think that Republicans might be compassionate in exchange for massive expansion of a department that should have been eliminated.

And looking the other way on illegal aliens in hopes to get the Hispanic vote.

Undermining our republican form of government for a short term electoral gain is sheer lunacy!

25 posted on 09/18/2007 1:41:55 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: presidio9
Proposed for the California ballot in June 2008, where voter turn-out is extremely low

Better still, with Hellary the annointed Dummie candidate, the GOP primary will be the big draw.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...HA!!!

26 posted on 09/18/2007 1:42:16 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Leaner, but not meaner)
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To: presidio9

I know logic is not one of her strongest attributes, but if California is such a big blue state, why worry about this?


27 posted on 09/18/2007 1:42:40 PM PDT by elizabetty (The job of POTUS is not about ideology alone; it is about COMPETENCE to do the job WELL.)
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To: presidio9

She is getting to be a bigger fruitcake every day!


28 posted on 09/18/2007 1:43:23 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: goldstategop
"I didn't know Babs was an expert on election law."

I doubt more than two or three Freepers are experts on election law, which doesn't mean we should not comment on a stupid short-term blunder by the California Republicans.

All you need is common sense and a respect for our republican form of government to know that the "Republican" idea is a disaster.

And what's more you can agree that the Republican idea is stupid and still disagree with Babs, because her only criticism is that the silliness proposed by the Republicans isn't going on in every state!

29 posted on 09/18/2007 1:45:56 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: elizabetty

Somebody recently posted a big US map showing the breakdown if this was done in all the voting precincts in the country.

The “red tide” was breathtaking.

Even though they started this, I think the dims actually looked at the numbers and realized they would be totally sc***wing themselves.


30 posted on 09/18/2007 1:48:25 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: presidio9

To me this is a not so improper “activist” response to the other move afoot in some states, to declare all of a state’s electoral votes do not go to any candidate who got the most votes in the state or even to one who won in the most districts, but would throw-out its own state vote and give its electoral vote to whomever one the popular vote, nationally.

I looked closely at the 2000 and 2004 election results. GWB won a % of counties and election districts, across the nation, by an even wider margin than the popular vote.


31 posted on 09/18/2007 1:48:54 PM PDT by Wuli (u)
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To: presidio9
Oh no! She's onto us. Guess she figured out that's WHY Rove resigned. So the administration could have plausible deniability. And to get the back-up plan of tampering with all the voting machines and ballots in place. And putting invisible force fields that only work on women and minorities around voting precincts, and....

What?? Oh, sorry folks, time for the meds. Back in a bit...

32 posted on 09/18/2007 1:50:31 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand
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To: presidio9
Pretty much every comment to this thread is more idiotic than Babs's original essay.

I doubt that anyone besides you read her essay. All the comments are pretty much ad hominem attacks with no substance.

People seem to be siding with the California Republicans only because Babs disagrees with them.

Freeper IQ is going down to room temperature ... in celsius.

33 posted on 09/18/2007 1:50:42 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

We’re pretty close to that as it is. Los Angeles and San Francisco control California. St. Louis and Kansas City control Missouri. Pittsburgh and Philadelphia control Pennsylvania, etc.

California Republicans are stupidly trying to beat the Dems at their own game with no understanding of the long term implications. If they weren’t this stupid, they might not be on the verge of outright extinction.

So, I don’t disagree with you at all. I was remarking on Babs’ high-school dropout level prose more than anything. If she had half a clue, she’d be cheering the Republican on as they dig their own graves in California.


34 posted on 09/18/2007 1:52:23 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: presidio9
Although I oppose this proposed change on principle, it does strike me as the very zenith of hypocrisy that the Democrats--who thought it was a perfectly good idea in Colorado in 2004, and who had been promoting a similar action in North Carolina until very recently--are suddenly concerned about the supposed unfairness of it.

Especially since Nebraska has had a similar system of electoral-vote allocation since 1996, and Maine has done so since 1972, without precipitating the collapse of the republic.

35 posted on 09/18/2007 1:53:18 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: elizabetty
"I know logic is not one of her strongest attributes, but if California is such a big blue state, why worry about this?"

I won't comment on Babs's logic abilities, but your knowledge of math seems to be a bit shaky.

55 is always bigger than 55 minus a positive integer.

36 posted on 09/18/2007 1:53:32 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: presidio9

Who says that California is a Democratic State? The Democrats? California is controlled by Los Angeles and San Francisco votes. The rest of the State is Republican. I think it’s good to give representation to the rest of the State.


37 posted on 09/18/2007 1:56:01 PM PDT by RC2
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I hear what you are saying, but that doesn’t make Barbra any less of an idiot. The concept of abandoning Republicanism in favor of true Democracy has been brought up several times, including by Ms Streisand’s candidate of choice.


38 posted on 09/18/2007 1:56:27 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
this initiative would make a democratic victory in any major election extremely difficult

OK, I'll leave alone the question of what Babs means by "major" election, since this only affects presidential elections, all of which are major.

But "extremely difficult"? If the Democrats win, it will almost certainly be by more than 40 votes (20 times 2). Most recently, Bill Clinton won by more than 200 EVs both times. The last time the Dems won by less than 40 votes was 1916. Have a little faith in your party, Babs.

39 posted on 09/18/2007 1:56:41 PM PDT by kalt
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To: presidio9

Notice the elitist BS - California votes are “our” votes.

I also noticed that she must have gotten someone to edit her usual 3rd grade level writing, grammar, and spelling.


40 posted on 09/18/2007 1:58:46 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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