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Immigration Debacle: All-or-nothingism begat nothing [The Anchoress]
http://theanchoressonline.com/ ^ | September 15, 2007 | The Anchoress

Posted on 09/16/2007 9:38:52 AM PDT by DCPatriot

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To: Infidel1571

“That’s pretty much when the gloves completely came off, but the brazen contempt for conservatives was there previous to 2006.”

I don’t disagree, and actually the best thing that ever happened for Jorge politically was 9/11/2001. With all the patriotism and support that accrued to him after that event, it naturally became the number issue and he was able to fly under the radar on all his liberal proposals. Without 9/11, I doubt he could have won reelection in 2004, and would probably have have Republican primary challengers.

9/11 and the WoT gave him good cover up until he became so brazen and insulting this year during the amnesty debat. That’s when large numbers of Republicans had had more than enough.


61 posted on 09/16/2007 11:12:46 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Infidel1571

IMHO:

If illegal immigration is good, it wouldn’t be illegal!!

If allowing shamnesty is good, why not do it for all criminals and empty our full prisons and jails?

If borders cause crime, guns kill people, pencils cause misspelling, and matches cause arson.

If pardons (amnesty) are good, why did Bill the Clintoon pardon 140 criminals?


62 posted on 09/16/2007 11:16:10 AM PDT by crazyshrink
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To: Will88
That’s when large numbers of Republicans had had more than enough.

all the NOS were not Republicans, and 80% of the public NOS were not all Republicans. This issue crosses many boundaries, which causes me nothing but joy....though your statement is accurate.

63 posted on 09/16/2007 11:16:25 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes.)
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To: DCPatriot
I know what a Patriot is and you ain’t it. You support an illegal invasion by a foreign nation. Tell me, what is a DCPatriot?.
64 posted on 09/16/2007 11:18:32 AM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: DCPatriot
So..you're saying there are no benefits derived from illegals?

I said no such thing, DC, but that was a very nice try at putting words in my mouth.

The 1987 amnesty failed because politicans promised border security and enforcement and never delivered.

Washington in this day and age is even worse at doing its basic governmental duties. People are quite justified in not accepting the notion that "comprehensive" immigration reform would solve anything - once the pols and their supporters have their way with amnesty and guest worker programs, well, jeez, they just never will quite get around to enforcement and border security ... like 1987.

The American people decided they won't get fooled again. Border security first, DC. THEN and ONLY THEN do we talk about what to do with those already here.

In other words, common sense.

65 posted on 09/16/2007 11:21:38 AM PDT by dirtboy (Chertoff needs to move out of DC, not move to Justice.)
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To: Infidel1571

Bush is the reason we lost in 06, no question about it.


66 posted on 09/16/2007 11:24:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: seemoAR

“Tell me, what is a DCPatriot?.”

A DCPatriot is someone who’s patriotic to whomever is sending the most money their way.

That is until the voters scare them out of their wits as happened during the recent shamnesty debate. The threat of being voted out of office is the only thing that can turn them away from their ‘DCPatriotism’.


67 posted on 09/16/2007 11:30:48 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
WOW!
NAILED!
excuse me, caps off.
68 posted on 09/16/2007 11:34:39 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes.)
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To: Will88

30 pieces of Ag. :0)


69 posted on 09/16/2007 11:40:30 AM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: DCPatriot
Of course what little miss Anchor-ette never mentions - The same things the MSM/Leftists who try and control the framework of the debate also never mention - are respect for the law and the result of Balkanization on America. It is a very feminine thing I think to indulge in emotion-heavy, thought-light appeals to this kind of notion of “justice”. Theirs is a justice where everyone has to feel good and no one ever fails. Failure isn’t allowed because, you know, it just makes us feel, you know, bad. They never follow their thoughts through any further than reaching some desired outcome that makes them feel good about themselves, and for them that is where it ends. Any further analysis of the long term results of their actions or the effects of those actions on the society at large is non existent and for them, irrelevant.

The emotionally driven among us never stop to ask a couple of simple questions - First, in this age of government entitlements and terrorism, does any particular persons desire to come to America automatically translate into some supposed “right” to come here? For the Leftists and the emotionally driven I think the answer is undeniably yes, albeit for different reasons. Second, does a particular persons desire to come here override the native citizens desire - for whatever reason - to keep them out? Again, for the Leftists/feminists/socialists, the answer would be yes.

For all of their grand speeches extolling the “will of the people” the Liberals really only care about the will of the people when it matches their own schemes. Otherwise, the will of the people will be savagely attacked and denigrated as racist, nativist (whatever that means) and worse, which in fact we have seen in the past few months.

“and any other politicians who disagreed with them or sought a more workable solution than “ship them back and build high, high walls” had their rhetorical heads smashed repeatedly against the rhetorical curbside”

Get it? The enlightened emotives in government courageously tried for “a more workable solution”, didn’t they? Obviously they know best and we simply need to accept that. Even the author has a few noble “dents”. How courageous.

“whatever political fall-out or legislative impotence comes from once more refusing to deal realistically...”

Again, the only “realistic” solution is to give away large sections of this country and its wealth and ignore the long term consequences. See how simple it all is? Now don’t we all feel soooo good?

I am more angry by the day about the immigration fiasco and our feckless and duplicitous governments refusal to simply enforce its own damn laws. At some point, the pols and the media I think will be overwhelmed by the anger of the average citizen who feels like they’re being used as servants of the noble “enlightened”, which are code words for arrogant corrupt elitists. As to what that anger mean exactly, I just don’t know.

70 posted on 09/16/2007 11:41:08 AM PDT by Carbonado
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To: Will88

“9/11 and the WoT gave him good cover up until he became so brazen and insulting this year during the amnesty debat. That’s when large numbers of Republicans had had more than enough.”

About time, too. We don’t just do as we’re told. We aren’t Democrats.


71 posted on 09/16/2007 11:43:22 AM PDT by Infidel1571
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“Bush is the reason we lost in 06, no question about it.”

It may well have been intentional.


72 posted on 09/16/2007 11:44:16 AM PDT by Infidel1571
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To: DCPatriot
Let us hope so, because the alternative “solutions” out there - “let everyone in and register them all Democrat” on the left ...

And Bush's policy differs from this how?

Most people who pontificate on illegal immigration don't want ordinary people to understand this is not a right vs. left issue, but rather, elites vs. ordinary citizens.

73 posted on 09/16/2007 11:48:04 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Infidel1571

“It may well have been intentional.”

A few days after we lost, Bush was “giddy” and said “the good thing is we can probably now pass a bi partisan immigration reform bill”


74 posted on 09/16/2007 11:50:48 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Carbonado

BUMP


75 posted on 09/16/2007 11:51:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“A few days after we lost, Bush was “giddy” and said “the good thing is we can probably now pass a bi partisan immigration reform bill””

It’s not surprising that a liberal is happy the liberals won.


76 posted on 09/16/2007 11:52:46 AM PDT by Infidel1571
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To: DCPatriot
A half TRILLION dollars in government coffers due to unmatched SS#'s...

Besides the fact the figure is no where near correct, SS is a pay-as-you-go system. Any SS "surplus" is put into the general fund and an IOU for the amount of the "surplus" in the form of non-market T-Bills is placed into the SS Trust Fund. The SS Trust Fund has no assets, but rather, represents a liability, which is why it is included in the $9 trillion national debt as intragovernmental holdings.

77 posted on 09/16/2007 11:57:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: DCPatriot
"The defeated Immigration Bill was NOT amnesty."

Call it whatever you please including "NOT amnesty," but that doesn't change the meaning of the proposal one iota.

78 posted on 09/16/2007 11:58:43 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Infidel1571

Bush has a domestic agenda all his own.


79 posted on 09/16/2007 12:00:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“Bush has a domestic agenda all his own.”

What do you think that agenda is?


80 posted on 09/16/2007 12:02:07 PM PDT by Infidel1571
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