Posted on 09/16/2007 9:38:52 AM PDT by DCPatriot
NAU just like daddy.
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In his own words our very own dcpatriot is one who profits from illegals, hires illegals, hires companies that he knows hire illegals, is 'hopelessly liberal' on the topic of illegals and when asked to comment on the price paid by American victims of illegal murderers, rapists and thugs has said repeatedly, and I quote, "YAWN".
There are many words that accurately our dcpatriot but the use of most of them would get me banned so I'll use just one...a dcpatriot is the enemy.
It was amnesty. It allowed those who entered here illegally and committed other crimes like ID theft, tax evasion, to stay and work here legally without being deported or jailed. It was no different than the 1986 bill in that regard. No matter how much you repeat that it was’t amnesty, we all know that it was.
i think you might be right about the ...gets out my umbrella and puts plywood on all my windows.
Bumpity Bump!
There was an entire section of the bill that described the absolute culture of corruption that pervades every level of both the public and private sectors in Mexico. This section further outlined where and how US tax dollars should be spent (in mexico) to help change this outlaw cultural mindset (an effort akin to ridding America of hip-hop, MTV, baseball and McDonalds, voluntarily).
The section ended with the warning that unless Mexico drastically changed its cultural fabric then we would continue to see waves of illegals crossing the border, even if the bill passed.
““let everyone in and register them all Democrat” on the left and “ship them all back to Mexico no matter how long they’ve been here or how productive” - are neither workable nor just.”
Shipping them all back to Mexico is most certainly the law. Those on the left, as they nearly always do, take an issue that is truly black and white - that illegal immigrants are illegal under the law - and try to turn it into shades of grey - by invoking some magical god of “justice” that supercedes the laws of this land.
On immigration, you either do it legally or you don’t. It has nothing to do with being just....the rules for compliance are arduous and complicated - but those are the laws. It is “just” to expect compliance. It is “just” to expect consequences borne from lack of compliance.
All politicians, if they serve the constitution and the laws that they make under the constitution should officially say that they expect compliance with laws, even as they seek to change laws that they do not like.
They failed to change the law, therefore illegal immigrants must be sent back to their home country. To do anything else is by definition unjust.
What compromise? The dialog seemed to something like this:
Pro: Here is our bill.
Anti: We don't like it.
Pro: We don't care. Take or leave it.
Anti: Fine. Leave it. It's dead.
It wasn’t it isn’t, it failed, and you can go cry in the corner.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks !
Absolutely ridiculous.
“What compromise? The dialog seemed to something like this:”
And we were told over and over how we had to pass ‘comprehensive’ reform, how nothing else was possible or desirable. Now that their ‘comprehensive’ bill was rejected, they’re weaseling around at present trying to pass the very uncomprehensive Dream Act and Ag Bill, both of which would grant amnesty to several million, and trying to attach this garbage to defense appropriation bills.
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ANY solution, includes “Ship Them Back”, or we will be subject with an unlimited invasion.
She’s wrong on this. You cannot reward lawbreaking in any form, or you’ll just get more of it. 1986 proved that conclusively. “Compromise” on Amnesty is essentially surrender on illegal immigration. We should never give Amnesty to those that thumb their noses at our legal system, and let it be known that no matter how long it takes, ICE is going to find you and deport you.
We want immigrants here. But play by the rules and get in line like everyone else.
But punishing peaceful, hardworking illegals and their employers will destroy the economy and lives along the way.
You unfortunately, for some reason, don't comprehend that. Perhaps you need to be self-employed, an independent contractor...to appreciate it. To be a small business owner who is the very backbone of the country, creating wealth and jobs.
Like it or not...there was a severe shortage of available, willing, ready and able workers.
The illegal is rebuilding New Orleans...not the native American US anglo or african.
I guess $100 @ day isn't enough for some people. /s
In any event, I took your "common sense" to have a broader meaning. Can't read your mind...despite the years I've 'known' you.
This is a classic "moderate" vs "extremist" argument.
The "moderates" are being "reasonable". The "extremists" are asking for too much.
However, this illegal immigration argument is subject to Barry Goldwater's famous tautology: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Why? Because the stakes are so high. As in the survival of the rule of law and the American culture...
The Anchoress is one of the best blogs on the planet. If immigration wasn't a headline, most in here would love her.
And that goes for you too, NTI. Outside immigration threads you're a well-balanced, fun to read FReeper.
And the only reason many more than the base...not 80%, IMO...were stoked was because of the flood of talk radio and cable hosts and pundits that have money to make.
For example, you can't tell me Rush Limbaugh actually agrees with Tancredo and the rest of the anti-illegal mob.
I don't care what he says....he's a self-made guy who never finished college. He can surely appreciate the inner strength it takes to leave your country with only the clothes on your back.
I would give a two-year period while the borders are being secured to give both parties time to transition. I realize that reality. You, however, fail to realize the reality of the impact of illegal immigration on neighborhoods that ain't quite as nice as yours.
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