Immigration Debacle: All-or-nothingism begat nothing [The Anchoress]

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[tarheelswamprat]

Those who are paying attention could be willing to make those in D.C. pay a price in votes.

I believe there is a seething undercurrent of outrage among the American citizenry flowing beneath the radar of the elites. The illegal alien issue is only one component of this. It also entails a confluence of the arrogance and corruption of the MSM and elected officials of both parties, their brazen double-standards and refusal to uphold the rule of law on many different issues, and their easy acceptance of a culture of institutionalized treason among the MSM, our Beltway elites and their enabling bureaucracies.

It's just a gut feeling, but I believe there is a perfect storm brewing and that the next election will be a bloodbath for incumbents of both parties...

[no-to-illegals]

the diminished prospects for Republicans in 2008.

I agree with all but this part. When there are candidates beginning to portray the message supported by 80% plus of the people who will vote. The democrats do not have the upper hand on this issue. Should the democrats continue their way on this path, I am excited this could be the straw for the camel's back, once the voting begins.

[Infidel1571]

“okay, I stand corrected....I always stand when being corrected......Salute!”

After the 2004 election, we got the “authentic” George W. Bush. The big-spending liberal.

[Infidel1571]

“It’s just a gut feeling, but I believe there is a perfect storm brewing and that the next election will be a bloodbath for incumbents of both parties...”

Your gut feeling is no doubt correct.

[dirtboy]

How could you type that with a straight face?

For the reasons stated, DC. The clear, historical and present reasons stated. The fact that you can't grasp those as common sense is probably due to your proximity to the Beltway crowd.

[stephenjohnbanker]

We had “open borders Bush” way before 2004.

[no-to-illegals]

I too sense an outrage below the radar. Time will tell, but I would not want to be a congressperson supporting the path of ‘do nothing’ or ‘amnesty’. Because of this issue, 80% of the public may do what the politicians say cannot be done. This is good, when politicians have to take the ‘Will of the People’ under consideration. The illegal issue may be a straw but it could become a bridge abutment.

[Infidel1571]

“We had “open borders Bush” way before 2004.”

True, but he wasn’t as arrogant about it back then.

[Will88]

“I agree with all but this part. When there are candidates beginning to portray the message supported by 80% plus of the people who will vote. The democrats do not have the upper hand on this issue. Should the democrats continue their way on this path, I am excited this could be the straw for the camel’s back, once the voting begins.”

The problem is, I’ve followed the immigration issue fairly closely since 1986 and Simpson-Mazzoli. Polls have shown for years that up to 80% of Americans opposed illegal immigration, wanted stricter enforcement, and even a reduction of legal immigration. But those big majorities never made immigration a vote deciding issue, and returned open borders, lax enforcement reps. to Washington again and again. If voters will FINALLY make immigration a vote deciding issue in 2008, your statement will be correct. But I’m still not confident that will happen. It certainly didn’t happen in 2006 after the defeat of that Congress’ attempt to pass amnesty for Jorge.

[stephenjohnbanker]

“True, but he wasn’t as arrogant about it back then”

Agreed. He waited for reelection to promote illegal immigration, and promote it he did....relentlessly.

[no-to-illegals]

yes, time will tell.

[DCPatriot]

How could you type that with a straight face?

For the reasons stated, DC. The clear, historical and present reasons stated. The fact that you can't grasp those as common sense is probably due to your proximity to the Beltway crowd.

So..you're saying there are no benefits derived from illegals?

A half TRILLION dollars in government coffers due to unmatched SS#'s...

..."Full Employment", with 4.5% most likely unemployable drug addicts or other self-inflicted neurosis rendering them zombies>

And speaking of "historical reasons....It was pointed out to me that the Indians fought illegal immigration for 400 years and lost too...yet who could argue the country hasn't benefited?

[DCPatriot]

It certainly didn’t happen in 2006 after the defeat of that Congress’ attempt to pass amnesty for Jorge.

No matter how many times you tell a lie....in the end IT'S STILL A LIE!

The defeated Immigration Bill was NOT amnesty.

[no-to-illegals]

Maybe the native Americans can teach the now native Americans a lesson.....
A guilt complex is showing in your distaste for Americans.

[Infidel1571]

“Agreed. He waited for reelection to promote illegal immigration, and promote it he did....relentlessly.”

We thought the immediate post-election speech about his “political capital” would involve something like Social Security reform. Something he CAMPAIGNED ON.

Oh, no. It meant helping his preferred country - Mexico - at our expense.

Why did I vote for him again?
How dare that man. He’s more brazen than even Clinton. Clinton could at least be shamed into going along with the right thing on occasion. He was a political animal, after all, not a “true believer”.

[Infidel1571]

“The defeated Immigration Bill was NOT amnesty.”

Of course it was. It even went further than just an “amnesty”.

[Will88]

“True, but he wasn’t as arrogant about it back then.”

He had a solid Republican majority in the House that declared all his immigration proposals DOA from 2001 up until the 2006 election. They even passed a strict enforcement only bill during 2006.

He became arrogant after the 2006 election gave he and Rove a Democrat House to work with. Then the voters started watching much more closely.

[Will88]

“No matter how many times you tell a lie....in the end IT’S STILL A LIE!”

Wow, talk about projection!

You were really talking to yourself, then just became confused.

[bill1952]

Compromise got us here. To this point.

To the point where we are relentlessly urged to change our laws because we do not want to enforce them.
To the point where controlled legal immigration means all out, bar no doors, galloping numbers that will change the very face and culture of America itself.

and yes, illegal immigration has no benefit, period. Unmatched social security numbers be damned.

compromise. - “snort!”

No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it.

Obedience of the law is demanded; not asked as a favor.

Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.

- Theodore Roosevelt

[Infidel1571]

“He became arrogant after the 2006 election gave he and Rove a Democrat House to work with. Then the voters started watching much more closely.”

That’s pretty much when the gloves completely came off, but the brazen contempt for conservatives was there previous to 2006.