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"Fuel" from Salt Water?
Treehugger -Science & Technology ^ | 9/11/07 | Jereny Elton Jacquot

Posted on 09/11/2007 4:41:09 PM PDT by Keflavik76

Yes, we know it sounds hard to believe, but a man in Erie, Pennsylvania, has apparently managed to set fire to a vial of salt water with a self-built radio frequency generator. When John Kanzius tried to desalinate seawater with a device he had created to (supposedly) treat cancer, he found he could keep the water burning like a candle as long as it was exposed to the proper frequencies.

Not surprisingly, many in the scientific community initially dismissed Kanzius' claim as a hoax. However, when Rustum Roy - a professor of chemistry at Penn State University - took him up on the challenge and attempted to recreate the experiment, he was amazed to see that it actually worked. And, no, there were no tricks to it either (or electrodes, as many thought).

According to Roy, the salt water itself isn't actually burning - what happens is that the radio frequency helps weaken the bonds holding together the water's constituents, releasing the bound hydrogen which burns when exposed to the frequency's energy field. At a temperature of around 3,000°F, the flame reflects a tremendous energy output, Roy explained.

Roy, who deems the discovery "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," will now take up further research with the Departments of Energy and Defense to investigate its potential applications as a source of alternative energy. "We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads. The potential is huge," he said.

Now we're talking clean energy.


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Yahoo also has an article on this today, calling it a "remarkable discovery". Check out this demonstration on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKtKSEQBeI

I've never been called a treehugger but this looks like an amazing source of clean energy.

1 posted on 09/11/2007 4:41:11 PM PDT by Keflavik76
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To: Keflavik76

Cue up that guy with the headache, not this &*%# again.


2 posted on 09/11/2007 4:44:56 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Keflavik76

The RF energy put into the device EXCEEDS the heat energy obtained. There may be electrolysis going on and he’s burning the hydrogen with the oxygen liberated. However, some theorize that he’s only creating a plasma which is giving off enough heat to run a Stirling engine.

Demo Stirling engines aimed at science classrooms will run off the hear of your hand.


3 posted on 09/11/2007 4:45:34 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Actions have consequences. Truth ALWAYS matters.)
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To: Keflavik76

Cue the “Jeez, not this —— again” pic.


4 posted on 09/11/2007 4:45:48 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Kevmo
Cue up that guy with the headache, not this &*%# again.

Yeah, join all those naysayers of Edison and the Wright brothers, et al. If it could have happened, it would have happened already. Sure.
5 posted on 09/11/2007 4:46:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: y'all
What's the frequency, Kanzius?
6 posted on 09/11/2007 4:47:08 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: BwanaNdege
Demo Stirling engines aimed at science classrooms will run off the hear of your hand.

"hear" = heat

7 posted on 09/11/2007 4:47:15 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Actions have consequences. Truth ALWAYS matters.)
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To: Keflavik76
It supposidly also cures cancer? Hopefully!
8 posted on 09/11/2007 4:47:18 PM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: Keflavik76
What does having a source of clean energy have to do with being a treehugger? Treehuggers aren't principally for clean energy, they're against advanced technology or anything else that makes an industrialized society possible.
9 posted on 09/11/2007 4:47:54 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: BwanaNdege

The RF energy is another word for “microwaves”. When you heat food in the microwave, the RF energy generated heat by vibrating the molecules. Salt water gets exposed to RF energy every time we cook stew.
What might be interesting is if he’s found a new way to desalinate, but just off the laws of physics, he hasn’t found a new energy source.


10 posted on 09/11/2007 4:48:09 PM PDT by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" by Tamara Wilhite)
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To: Keflavik76

Does it say how much energy is being applied to gain the “effect”? You can do a lot of neat things that are net losers of energy.


11 posted on 09/11/2007 4:48:19 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Keflavik76
Here: video of saltwater burning on youtube
12 posted on 09/11/2007 4:49:18 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Keflavik76

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1893494/posts


13 posted on 09/11/2007 4:49:26 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Keflavik76
Oh come on guys! Keanau Reeves did this in his apartment milling a piece of machinery. The experiment became stable and cold fusion was born.

Then evil government dudes killed the entire scientific team leaving him on the run with a love interest. Evil corporations and evil government fighting the righteous left.
Remember? Free energy? One Love Let’s get together and feel all right.....

14 posted on 09/11/2007 4:54:16 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: aruanan

I get it from both sides. I’m either considered credulous when I post things about stuff like SubQuantum Kinetics & electrogravitics, or a naysayer when I make fun of someone who’s burning sodium as a cool experiment.

SubQuantum Kinetics, wide ranging unifying cosmology theory by Dr. Paul LaViolette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1884938/posts

Posted by Kevmo to All
On News/Activism 08/28/2007 8:13:41 AM PDT · 68 of 68

Freeper thread where electrogravitic lifter is discussed.

“Beam Me Up Scotty” Anti-gravity: Fact or Fiction?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/816773/posts?page=59#59
Dearborn Highschool press release ^ | Russ Gibb


15 posted on 09/11/2007 4:54:56 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Keflavik76

Water into fuel?
http://www.wkyc.com ^ | 6/1/2007 | Michael O’Mara

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1874757/posts


16 posted on 09/11/2007 4:55:18 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Keflavik76

I wonder how much the salt had to do with this? We have millions of tons of salt here in the US.


17 posted on 09/11/2007 4:56:21 PM PDT by RC2
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To: tbw2
What might be interesting is if he’s found a new way to desalinate, but just off the laws of physics, he hasn’t found a new energy source.

Uh, if he's found a way of freeing hydrogen (an "old" energy source) from saltwater, then he has found a new way of generating an "old" energy source.
18 posted on 09/11/2007 4:56:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: CaptainK

My bad, next time I’ll do a search before posting a new article. All I want to know is, what is the frequency Kenneth?


19 posted on 09/11/2007 4:59:30 PM PDT by Keflavik76
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To: Kevmo
For a good laugh (on Darwin) take a look at last week's Science News. There's a piece right at the front about recent discoveries that bacteria regularly transfer genes from their own genomes to those of a wide variety of animals (and presumably vice versa).

Poor Darwin thought critters got all their genes from Mummsy and Daddy of course. Carries "sexual selection" to a whole new level.

Once you've got a good laugh on those guys come back here and give us even more links to cold fusion projects. Or, maybe give us a link to the latest in creating double-helix forms in water molecules under pressure.

20 posted on 09/11/2007 5:01:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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