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Democrats Face Hobson's Choice
National Review ^ | September 10, 2007 | Mario Loyola

Posted on 09/10/2007 6:17:04 PM PDT by george76

I must say that I sympathize with the bind that Democratic leaders are in somewhat. Defeatism is forced upon them by their base. That's why they have no choice but but to insist that Iraq is going disastrously badly, that it was all a mistake, and that we should get out now. Where they have no choice but to acknowledge that progress has been made, they must insist at all costs that President Bush's policies have had nothing to do with it. It is a matter of political reality. Their base will throw them back into the minority if they say anything else. Chuck Schumer's recent talking point — that progress has come in spite of the surge, not because of it — is something he has little choice but to say, no matter how little he believes it.

You can't acknowledge that things are going better in Iraq without implicitly acknowledging that the president was right after all. The electoral center, which gave the Dems their majority, is exceedingly fickle. They elected the president in '04 because they thought we could still in Iraq, then turned around and elected the Dems in '06, because they stopped believing it. If the president was right after all, then they might as well go back to supporting the president. The would be the end of the Democratic majority, and possibly the end of their chances in '08.

The Democrats problem stems from the fact that their base is composed of two groups that fundamentally do not share the same view of American foreign policy or of the war on terror. On the one hand, you have people who once supported the war, and on the other, the people who were always against it. Those two groups agree about only one thing now, which is that the Iraq war has been a disaster and we should get out as soon as possible. Until recently that view was held by a majority of Americans, which is what translated into the democratic majority.

Unfortunately for the Demcrats, the progress in Iraq is largely undeniable, and the American people are starting to believe it. For the first time in a long time, a majority of Americans believes both that we can win in Iraq and that the war in Iraq is part of the war on terror. That, of course, is the essence of the Republican platform on Iraq.

Consequently, Democratic-party leaders are faced with Hobson's choice. They must play the pessimist's part – it is the only way to maintain their majority. Anything else is political suicide for them. They are irretrievably invested in defeat. They therefore have to deny that we are making progress, no matter how obvious that progress is — and no matter how relieved they are, deep down inside, as Americans, that we are making it.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; charlesschumer; chuckschumer; congress; defeatism; democrats; elections; hobson; hobsonschoice; iraq; media; mediabias; schumer; wot
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1 posted on 09/10/2007 6:17:06 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Mario could use some proof-reading.


2 posted on 09/10/2007 6:19:27 PM PDT by counterpunch (Ron Paul is gearing up to be Hillary Clinton's Ross Perot.)
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To: george76
That's why they will lose by a landslide. Its obvious to Americans they see nothing good for America, want her to lose and hate our military. That's what I call a winning platform indeed.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 09/10/2007 6:19:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: george76

Yah, it’s terrible. The “have” to be traitors and liars. B.S.


4 posted on 09/10/2007 6:20:15 PM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: counterpunch

“Mario could use some proof-reading.”

Indeed.


5 posted on 09/10/2007 6:22:45 PM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: pookie18; potlatch

We need your chuck the cheese pictures ?


6 posted on 09/10/2007 6:23:56 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
You know, these elected Democrats are supposed to be the leaders of their party, not the puppets of their fringe elements.
The elected Democrats, if they were honorable, courage, or honest, could stand up for once and lead their party back from the brink, instead of following it off the cliff like lemmings.
Mario has done a disservice by apologizing for them.
 
7 posted on 09/10/2007 6:24:23 PM PDT by counterpunch (Ron Paul is gearing up to be Hillary Clinton's Ross Perot.)
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To: Grampa Dave; USNBandit

This is what Schumer said:

And let me be clear. The violence in Anbar has gone down in spite of the Surge, not because of the Surge.

The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from Al Qaeda said to these tribes, “We have to fight Al Qaeda ourselves.”


8 posted on 09/10/2007 6:25:25 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76


9 posted on 09/10/2007 6:26:01 PM PDT by pookie18
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To: drzz

The secret plan of the Democratic Party...?


10 posted on 09/10/2007 6:26:48 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: pookie18

Thanks


11 posted on 09/10/2007 6:28:03 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I don;t have any sympathy for their postition. In the old days they would be lined up blindfolded in front of a Pock Filled Wall. They should be happy they have a treasonous press.

Pray for W and Our Troops


12 posted on 09/10/2007 6:29:28 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground fighting FR BDS)
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To: george76
This is what Schumer said:

And let me be clear. The violence in Anbar has gone down in spite of the Surge, not because of the Surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from Al Qaeda said to these tribes, “We have to fight Al Qaeda ourselves.

13 posted on 09/10/2007 6:32:47 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: bray; weegee; SunkenCiv

They are very lucky that they have a treasonous press.


14 posted on 09/10/2007 6:33:40 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; jazusamo; rlmorel; freema

Sen. Charles Schumer On The Inability Of U.S. Soldiers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5PRGN4K7k&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmassdiscussion%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F


15 posted on 09/10/2007 6:36:01 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

And Chuck the Schmuck knows this from???

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


16 posted on 09/10/2007 6:39:17 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground fighting FR BDS)
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To: bray

Yeah, check out the post above mine. I just reposted someone else’s words in big red letters. Schumer’s a stupid camera chasing wiener!


17 posted on 09/10/2007 6:41:10 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: counterpunch
You know, these elected Democrats are supposed to be the leaders of their party, not the puppets of their fringe elements.

The real leader of the Democrats is the millionaire, atheist, Communist, dictator of the proletariat George Soros.

If the Dims want to get reelected they do his biding.

18 posted on 09/10/2007 6:42:17 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: george76

...the bind that Democratic leaders are in somewhat...

It’s not just the DemocRats. The MSM also has a very high stake in this. Their believability is at a all time low. They have been marching alongside the drumbeat of defeat. They have not challenged any of the absurdity that the Rats spout.

Now is the time we need our elected Republican to step up and start hammering home this point that the Rats are invested in defeat. We need 49 Limbaughs from our Senators, we need 201 Limbaughs in the House, all shouting out that these Rats are invested in defeat.


19 posted on 09/10/2007 6:43:33 PM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: george76
and no matter how relieved they are, deep down inside, as Americans, that we are making it.

I simply do not believe that, deep down, very many of them are at all relieved that we are making it. Damn few.

20 posted on 09/10/2007 6:43:46 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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