[mtbopfuyn]

But what about the poor great whites?!?

[Boundless]

> ... an independent source measured the flame’s
> temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit,
> reflecting an enormous energy output.

The energy released in recombination is the same as
it normally takes to uncouple the H2 and O, unless
he’s invented a new type of catalytic divorce-omatic.

The lack of insight regarding “over unity” from this
inventor suggests he’s got no handle whatever on how
much RF energy he’s dumping into the water.

[facedown]

The radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the constituents of salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen -- and releases the hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when exposed to the RF energy field.

Utter gibberish.

[MosesKnows]

some thought it a was a hoax

Please count me among them.

[TWohlford]

Not this sh*t again...

If you put electricity through salt water, it breaks apart the bonds between hydrogen and oxygen. Any junior high science student knows that (but obviously not journalists).

The problem is that it takes more energy to break those bonds than the resulting gasses are able to product when burned.

Even if that problem is overcome, there are huge problems with the storage and transportation of those gasses. As it turns out, the stuff leaks right through metals, making them brittle in the process. And, you can imagine that the same problem affect the motors as well.

[RightWhale]

The story is working its way down the food chain. When it gets to India Times it will finally be done.

[neodad]

So when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it a was a hoax.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?

[ChildOfThe60s]

It's all very simple. The real solution is......

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

The only question that matters is how much energy is used in this process, and how much energy is liberated from the salt water. If you get more out of it than you put in, it’s good.

[UnklGene]

That’s “eerie!”

[Gorzaloon]

xxx xxxx, a Penn State University chemist, held a demonstration last week at the university's Materials Research Laboratory in State College, to confirm what he'd witnessed weeks before in an Erie lab.

"It's true, it works," Dr. xxx said. "Everyone told me, 'xxx, don't be fooled. He put electrodes in there.' "

Oh No..He never heard of induction coupled plasma, or was not able to transfer the concept.

I am depressed and ashamed. I have faculty friends at Penn State, and have the highest regard for the place, as well as the Nittany Lions.

[Carbonado]

For those who want to believe that this is the magic that the article implies it is, go to the PESwiki website for some other magical (and some real, to a point) devices and processes. You’ll have a grand time I promise.

[Carbonado]

For those who want to believe that this is the magic that the article implies it is, go to the PESwiki website for some other magical (and some real, to a point) devices and processes. You’ll have a grand time I promise.

[from occupied ga]

So when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it a was a hoax.

Only because it IS a hoax. A variation on perpetual motion of the first kind.

[SpaceBar]

Fodder for Coast to Coast AM.

[Natural Law]

I suspect what he did was to create a plasma which glows like a fluorescent light. I guarantee he put far more energy in via the radio waves than would be released by the “burning”.

[chuckles]

This is all well and good if you have a large plant with solar panels to provide the “juice”. The question is always what do you put in to get something out. What do you do with the salt waste? How big is practical? Where and how do you store and transport the H2?

This is still old tech looking for a home. It works if you need a moped to travel with and have a 2000 sq ft tank in your yard for storage. Besides, what if the microwaves start cooking your brain and causing tumors the size of basketballs?

This has been done already with a house in NJ, I think. The guy spent $500K for equipment and stores the H2 in tanks in his yard. He fuels his home, his cars, and a boat from the H2. H uses a H2 generator that plugs into the grid, but gets help from panels on his roof. Of course there is battery storage also. It is supposed to be net positive, but the sun don't shine every day. How long is it going to take to pay for the $half mill initial investment? What about hail storms taking out the roof panels? What about the explosion hazard in his yard?

I can't find the best pics of his house, but here a start to "Google" his name.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0315/p12s01-sten.html?page=1

Page 3 shows the tanks that make the neighbors nervous.

[Popocatapetl]

The latest innovation in electrical propulsion is not using batteries at all. Capacitors are much more efficient, for quick charge, peak use, and optimal discharge for engines. The new capacitors also raise the range of electrical vehicles from about 75 miles to about 300 miles. The remaining technology questions are about durability.

Up until recently, battery technology was more advanced, but capacitors are passing them. This may end up with electrical “gas stations” being a bit like electrical substations, taking energy directly from high tension lines, and having a large capacitor themselves.

Electrical vehicles would be charged with a high-amp line, taking just enough time to avoid heat problems from the flow of current.

Ironically, while this would strongly boost demand on the energy grid, new capacitors might reduce residential and commercial use by making alternative energy more attractive.

[dalereed]

“But researching its potential will take time and money, he said.”

That statement summarizes the entire thing, just another stupid professor with his hand out for government grant money.

[Barnacle]

Gee! How do I invest? LOL

What a bunch of BS.