Posted on 08/23/2007 12:54:32 PM PDT by lizol
When are they going to have marches in Coventry?
Any idiot that thinks Germans suffered as much as their victims is just that, an idiot.
Oh, cry me a FReepin’ river. You try to take over the World and exterminate all the Jews, bad things are going to happen to you. The NAZIs were as bad as it gets. Everything we did in Europe, and more, was easily justified.
Those that ignore history are condemned to repeat it!
And before I hear the - The German citizens deserved what they got answer - We just fought a war against Iraq. Can we fire bomb some cities there and kill a quarter of million people and just say they deserved it? If not - why? Saddam was just as evil as Hitler.
And Rotterdam, and Warsaw, and Guernica.....
Is it not possible that the Allies really did bomb a civilian population without restraint?”
I lived in Bavaria for four years and visited Dresden when it was still in the DDR. The Commie travel guides played up the allied bombing of Dresden, when made me very angry since the Soviets treated the Germans as bad as the Germans had treated Soviet citizens, and that was very badly. Germans were moving West to escape the Red Army, preferring the Western allies.
I have questioned the need for the bombing of Dresden, which was not an industrial city, and was full of refugees.
However, Hitler had indiscriminately bombed London, including the more recent V-1 and V-2 rockets. Did bombing Dresden hasten the end of the war against Germany like the A-Bomb did against Japan. I am not sure about that, but if it saved allied lives, it was probably justifiable.
Certainly, the Dresden bombing should not be spoken in the same breath with the Holocaust, or even the starving of the Dutch People after they rose up during Market-Garden, or the Katyn Forrest massacre by Stalin.
There is no moral comparison or equivalence. The former occurred because tyrants and those who supported them committed violence and agression against innocent peoples and nations. The latter happened as the allies committed violence against the perpetrators and those nations, cities, and peoples who provided material and moral support in the all out war that World War II was.
It was hell...but it was unleashed on the hellions and their peoples. In the end, the German people and Japanese people wanted NO MORE. They were made over into good Germans and good Japanese by the horrific events. I know this for sure...had Hitler and Tojo succeeded, the hell on earth that would have resulted would have been many orders of magnitude worse...world-wide...than what occurred at Dresden and Hiroshima and Nagasaki to put a stop to it.
We waged all out war to end what would have been a much more, continuing brutal reign of terror and killing world-wide had we not stopped it in the fashion that we did.
LOL!
Yes, the Nazis were extremely restrained in their warfare.
The Poles are grateful for their mildness and the people of Stalingrad look back to those lovely days of the half-hearted Nazi siege of their city.
And if anyone thinks we owe Germany for Dresden, consider The Marshall Plan as “payment in full.”
So, are there degrees of evil? A little evil is acceptable but a lot of evil is a bad thing? Now, to compare the Nazi "Final Solution" to a thug like Saddam is just laughable. Saddam killed people out of some kind of blood lust or lust for power and control. What Hitler and the Third Reich did is something of a different magnitude and not comparable.
The Marshall Plan AND forty years of keeping the Russians out.
And the 31 US Servicemen who gave their lives during the Berlin Airlift.
Now and forever.
World War II Germany was a modern culture that acted worse than the lowest, creepiest bush tribe. ( No insult meant to primitive people). It wasn't a few bad apples acting on their own - it was the whole figgin culture.
Shame on them. Shame on all of them.
Let the Germans live with the guilt. It's the least they can do.
The reason there have been no more decisive victories since WWII is because we don’t fight “all out” any more.
And them some...
Also, IMHO, one of the things we did wrong in Iraq is not pacify, with extreme prejudice, those towns and cities that support the insurgents and terrorists. It has caused the fighting...again, IMHO...to last much longer and cost many more of our own than it otherwise might have.
I think of Fullujah as an example. No way did we need to go in there and lose 120+ of our boys fighting an urban war made to order for Jihadists and their perverted notion of martydom. We should have ringed the place with steel and offered 72 hours for everyone who wanted to get out to do so. Women and young kids one way, fighting aged men another...who would then be used to rebuild their city and to rebuild it in such a fashion that is not only much more modern and with better sanitation, but with wide avenues and clear fields of fire.
Then we should have waged an around the clock bombing campaign that reduced the entire place to rubble. Any innocents dieing in the exchange are on the heads of the terrorist and insurgents. A clear message would also have been sent. A 'demonstration" that I bet would not have had to be repeated too many more times before the Iraqis in those areas where insurgents were abetted...stoppoed abetting them.
...but that's why I will never be in charge of such operations.
“I ask you: Do you want total war? If necessary, do you want a war more total and radical than anything that we can even imagine today?” - Josef Goebbels
(Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it!)
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