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'Absurd' case? Prosecutors think not
St. Petersburg Times ^ | August 9, 2007 | Carrie Weimar

Posted on 08/14/2007 6:50:18 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt

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To: geezerwheezer

LOL!


21 posted on 08/14/2007 7:28:20 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: mjrsgrlnMD
The news story didn’t say anything about any evidence that this man was attempting to sell his drugs, just that they were in his truck and that he had a prescription for them.

It's true that this story doesn't go into any detail as to *exactly* what evidence of drug trafficking they had/have.But you've gotta admit that carrying around 58 Vicodin tablets is a pretty good start...particularly if you're a physician (as your screen name suggests).

22 posted on 08/14/2007 7:30:40 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You don’t put people in prison for what you presume to be their INTENTIONS...


23 posted on 08/14/2007 7:31:33 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: jeddavis
You don’t put people in prison for what you presume to be their INTENTIONS...

Beg to differ - examine laws regarding conspiracy.

24 posted on 08/14/2007 7:38:16 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

> Engineers and doctors are ALWAYS rejected immediately.

No kidding. I have been called twice and filled out two forms (including occupation — engineer) prior to the first day. I was never even called for questioning.


25 posted on 08/14/2007 7:40:39 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: dirtboy

One person doesn’t do a conspiracy. Aside from that, when two or more people do a conspiracy, they usually get put in prison AFTER they do whatever they were conspiring to do or at least after they’d held some sort of a meeting and laid out plans to do it. What you’re talking about in this case is basically putting somebody in prison for thought crime.


26 posted on 08/14/2007 7:46:04 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: jeddavis

>A hundred years ago there were no drug laws in America and no meaningful drug problems.<

I see you don’t know about how cocaine became illegal. Yes, it used to be in Coca Cola. Do your own research for the rest of the story.


27 posted on 08/14/2007 7:49:16 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: mjrsgrlnMD
Doesn’t it bother anyone that we deprive people of their liberty SO CASUALLY here in the “Land of the Free”?? It should.

It should, but it doesn't. Folks are ever willing to give up somebody else's liberty to make themselves feel a little safer, not understanding that they're giving up their own liberties too.

I'm not planning on retiring in this country, btw.

28 posted on 08/14/2007 8:05:50 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters!)
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To: samtheman
Do jurors routinely submit to lobotomies before taking their seat in the jury box?

In a sense, the answer is yes. Through the jury selection process, those prospective jurors who have fully functional brains are removed from the jury pool before the trial starts.

29 posted on 08/14/2007 8:19:55 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: samtheman
If you are an accountant or engineer (or some similarly analytical profession generally associated with integrity), you are likely to be tossed from any serious trial, with nothing else needing to be known about you.

I you answer questions intelligently and competently, that is likely to get you tossed, even if you don't have a marked profession.

30 posted on 08/14/2007 8:25:06 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

When you fill a prescription, the bottle might contain 100 pills. AFAIK, it’s a felony to repackage controlled medications into other containers, e.g. a ziploc baggie; doing so separates the medication from the prescription information, which is (only) on the original packaging. So, (1) what you’re suggesting is a criminal act (AFAIK) and (2) you still are tossing the presumption of innocence, which turns American criminal law on its head. You might also want to think about the repercussions of (2) if it were expanded.


31 posted on 08/14/2007 8:27:06 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
In what little I've read about this case there's one thing,and *only* one thing,that suggests that he might have intended to distribute and that is that he had *fifty eight* pills with him.

If he was told to take,say,two tablets every four hours by the doctor who gave them to him then you'd expect him to be carrying six...or eight...or even ten with him for a long workday,not fifty eight.

Do you split your prescriptions into multiple bottles? I've never done that. "Fifty eight" is not an unusually large number of pain pills.

32 posted on 08/14/2007 8:29:36 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Statists have used the War on Crime/War on Drugs to sucker conservatives into supporting expanded government power for three decades. It has worked so well that many conservatives still do not realize how thoroughly they have been duped - and they get extremely defensive when it is pointed out to them.


33 posted on 08/14/2007 8:29:52 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: B4Ranch

Meaningful drug problems to me start with the idea of a drug user having to steal $4000 worth of merchandise to get (at a 10% fence) the $400 necessary to buy $4 worth of chemicals, i.e. they start with four dollars worth of chemicals being transmogrified into four thousand dollars worth of crime times the number of those idiots out there times 365 days in a year, all through the magic of stupid laws. THAT problem did not exist a hundred years ago.


34 posted on 08/14/2007 8:59:08 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: Gay State Conservative

I had my wisdom teeth taken out and my dentist prescribed me Vicodin. It was in a word, wonderful. I had some left and it made me feel better when I had a hangover. I wasn’t in chronic pain and would not have gotten addicted (all drugs are addictive). However, if someone had some extra that they wanted to sell, I would’ve gladly bought it, to take away the effects of the last legal drug, alcohol...I probably would be in jail for ten years if I got caught trying to cure a hangover. Think about it, or don’t. Who cares...You and your kind will always be here...


35 posted on 08/14/2007 9:15:48 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY
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To: jeddavis
There are hundreds of natural plants that can be baked, boiled, steamed or whatever that will put you into a three day spin and they are 100% free to the user.

Do a bit of research about some of the drugs our Indians have used such as mescaline from the peyote and jimson weed. It is legal to buy Salvia divinorum plants and leaves anywhere in the world except Australia. The Salvia divinorum leaves are smoked or chewed in a quiet dark room, and hallucinations are said to last 10 to 15 minutes, with mild after-effects lasting between 30 minutes and an hour. If you are so inclined to use them, have a good time but don’t expect that I will pay for your rescue to bring you back into today. Don’t ask for my sympathy when you have an unexpected recurrences "flashbacks" that result in your becoming unable to maintain your employment.

36 posted on 08/14/2007 9:22:26 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: Jabba the Nutt
A doctor and a pharmacist backed him up at trial. But jurors weren't told that it is legal to possess the drug with a prescription.

I'm in disbelief that they could find 12 people that are that stupid.

37 posted on 08/14/2007 9:35:25 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: B4Ranch

I have nothing to do with drugs and recommend that all and sundry do likewise. Nonetheless between the drug freaks and the control freaks who run the drug war, I view the later as the larger problem. 80 Percent of American crime would evaporate within two years of instituting a rational set of drug laws.


38 posted on 08/14/2007 9:36:33 AM PDT by jeddavis
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To: Jabba the Nutt

It’s illegal to repackage ANY prescription drug.

I was in trouble for carrying some prescription pills in a baggie while camping.

It’s a felony, or so I was told, to take a prescription medicine out of its original container and put it into another, because the original has the prescription info, which is your authorization to have the stuff.

My original scrip was for a 90 day supply and I had a 7 day supply in the bag.

Cop said, next time go back to the pharmacy and get a smaller bottle withe the correct label, which it turns out they do all the time.

Such a simple thing and I never knew it was a felony!

So in this case, the fact that he HAD a valid scrip was not that relevant, if I read it right he had a bunch of narcotic tabs in some container other than the one he had the scrip for.

The verdict shows the root of the problem- people vote for politicians who promise to get tough on drugs, and the verdict shows that attitude.


39 posted on 08/14/2007 9:38:03 AM PDT by Ender Wiggin
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To: dirtboy
*** BZZZZTTTT *** A charge of criminal conspiracy requires some overt act in furtherance of the planned crime. As the earlier message correctly stated, intent per se cannot be criminal.
40 posted on 08/14/2007 9:51:45 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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