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Why McCain's Collapse Matters
MSNBC ^ | 26 July 2007 | Michael Hirsch

Posted on 07/27/2007 12:23:02 AM PDT by Lexinom

July 26, 2007 - In early November 2003, at a time when Fred Dalton Thompson was playing a tough D.A. on "Law and Order," John McCain was cross-examining Donald Rumsfeld for real on Capitol Hill. It was still very early into the U.S. occupation of Iraq, but the as-yet-unacknowledged (by Rummy, that is) insurgency was already out of control. Alone among his fellow GOP senators, McCain blasted Rumsfeld for not putting enough U.S. troops on the ground, and for resorting too soon to "Iraqification"—that is, transferring security to ill-prepared Iraqi forces. In an extraordinarily blunt speech at the Council on Foreign Relations that grim autumn, McCain warned that ultimately Iraq could become another...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: campaign; gopprimary; mccain; military; primary; rinos
Lead-in, from the site: "His campaign’s sorry state isn't just a setback for the candidate. It's a sign that the country won't listen to a military man running for president—at a time when it matters most."
1 posted on 07/27/2007 12:23:04 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
I love how the media wants to pick our candidates for us. Since the MSM is an elite, it surely knows better than us peasants who should be running the country. We are not rejecting Senator John McCain because of his military service, but despite it; as he has shown himself a friend of Ted Kennedy & the democrats, illegal aliens, free speech opponents, Christian bashers and others anathema to the GOP conservative base.
2 posted on 07/27/2007 12:35:03 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent post!


3 posted on 07/27/2007 12:38:46 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The truth about Iraq is the insurgents are not foreigners, not al Queda. They are the Ba'athists, loyalists to the Saddam Hussein Regime who miss their unbridled power, free of the shackling chains of democracy.

They number not in the thousands, or tens of thousands, but in the hundreds of thousands. They are two-faced, feigning cooperation except when we turn our backs.

On this point I do agree with McCain, and believe the Adminstration was guided by the Sesame Street "surgical strike" mindset popularized under Bill Clinton in not hitting hard enough and declaring the opening phase complete prematurely.

Winning will be tough now, and will demand we make better decisions about local on-the-ground alliances based on more and better intelligence. Impossible, no. But pulling out wastes a golden opportunity to establish forward bases in the region and begin looking toward the Mullahs to the east.

Just my opinion.

4 posted on 07/27/2007 12:51:03 AM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Lexinom
We saw that in 2004 when two draft dodgers—Bush and Dick Cheney—brazenly painted a Silver Star winner, John Kerry, as fatally soft on war.

That tells you all you need to know about that schmuck and his credibility.
5 posted on 07/27/2007 12:52:44 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl

Yes, it’s leftist drivel for the most part. But the last couple of paragraphs are salient, except he seems blind in his moaning to the fact that just such a war hero besides McCain is running - except that this war hero plans to WIN the war, which is perhaps why Duncan Hunter’s name is conspicuously absent. Hey, if he can mention Hagel, who has no support, he can at least mention Hunter, who has some.


6 posted on 07/27/2007 12:58:22 AM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Great post.

The media talking heads have their opinions which are filtered through their desire for certain leaders to take control of this country.

I don't believe for one minute that the McCain supporters in the liberal media want him to be president. I think they believe, probably rightly, that he cannot defeat whoever the Dems put up. More importantly, I think they support him because it allows them to say they are "fair" because they praise a Republican who supports the war.

Yet, they support him because they are all swoony with their "Greatest Generation" BS. I'm not saying the WW2 generation weren't great, I'm saying the mythology the Brokaws and Russerts and Matthewses are foisting over is longing for the days when FDR was in charge and made everything perfect. McCain is somehow linked to this dreamy past because of his attitude and the fact that he doesn't like Bush, and he seems to FEEL like a WW2-era type.

This writer is one of those who's always claiming to be so unbiased, yet he coincidentally always supports the Dems and is against Republicans--except for McCain, of course, who's harmless. For once I'd love to see one of these guys support someone else on the right, who's a conservative and pro-war, but without the camera-love.

7 posted on 07/27/2007 1:07:38 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life, Pro-Legal Immigration, Pro-Victory Bostonian atheist)
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To: Lexinom

When you support Amnesty for Illegals, you shouldn’t be surprised when people say “hasta la vista.”


8 posted on 07/27/2007 1:09:45 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Lexinom
Love the "Islam in America" cover on Newsweek.

Wonder if they'll have such a multicultural group when they do their "GOP in America" cover.

Nah--it'll be just a bunch of smug rich white guys.

9 posted on 07/27/2007 1:10:47 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life, Pro-Legal Immigration, Pro-Victory Bostonian atheist)
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To: Lexinom
Oh yeah, and Fred Dalton Thompson is still acting on TV, having abandoned Washington for Hollywood five years ago, in the middle of the biggest national crisis since Vietnam.

LOL Who IS this joker?

Yes, leaving Washington is ABANDONING us! Oh, poor widdle weeble Hirsch!

10 posted on 07/27/2007 1:11:45 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life, Pro-Legal Immigration, Pro-Victory Bostonian atheist)
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To: Darkwolf377

Remember Mr. Ponytail? “We’re your children! Take care of us!”


11 posted on 07/27/2007 1:15:02 AM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Lexinom

What I’m remembering is how these guys were mocking the surge—NOW they’re saying it’s not going on long enough! This guy’s a riot. Self-righteousness mixed with kneejerk hatred for Bush—a winning combo at Newsweek!


12 posted on 07/27/2007 1:18:52 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life, Pro-Legal Immigration, Pro-Victory Bostonian atheist)
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To: Lexinom

Is the state of McCain’s campaign due to public reaction or to the MSM ignoring because he disagrees with their view of the war.


13 posted on 07/27/2007 1:33:52 AM PDT by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides.)
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To: Lexinom

Thank you Sen. McCain for what you have done in the military. The message here is that leaving only 80% of the Bill of Rights is your legacy.


14 posted on 07/27/2007 1:58:59 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: kathsua; 2ndDivisionVet

John McCain served honorably, and I for one appreciate his duty to his nation.

His campaign is floundering because he has betrayed his CIC too many times (Gang of 14, Immigration, and his consequent whoring to the press) and has likewise betrayed the conservative cause, beginning in my recollection at least with his 2000 campaign. Also, he’s old, he’s tired, and he doesn’t excite anyone.

Could I vote for him if he were to get the nomination, based on my convictions? Barely. Certainly not with enthusiasm. I have yet to meet a single openly pro-McCain Freeper on FR, who’s on fire about his campaign like I am about Hunter’s, or like 2ndDivisionVet is about Thompson’s.


15 posted on 07/27/2007 2:00:05 AM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Lexinom
Several dozens of us woke up yesterday and destroyed this article and the puke that wrote it. Here it is again... just like an STD that refuses to go away... you know... like ‘toon has!

LLS

16 posted on 07/27/2007 4:38:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

These creeps who just repeat these myths about Bush and his draft record, Bush and Cheney challenging Kerry’s war record, etc have NEVER come up with even one quoute to back up their facts. They assume the Swift Boat guys were in Bush’s pocket, or they saw that whole campaign as one big right wing conspiracy against Kerry. GWB even said in one of the debates “we honor Sen Kerry for his service.” He could have trashed Kerry for what he did after the war, but they never made an issue of it. I think they should have.


17 posted on 07/27/2007 5:13:21 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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