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Mosque Stirs Racial Passion In Germany
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 7-15-2007 | Jason Burke

Posted on 07/15/2007 2:48:03 PM PDT by blam

Mosque stirs racial passion in Germany

While Muslims see a £20m building for Cologne as test of a nation's tolerance, critics fear the rise of a parallel, repressive society

Jason Burke in Cologne
Sunday July 15, 2007
The Observer (UK)

Anti-mosque protest in Cologne. Photograph: Henning Kaiser/AFP/Getty

This weekend the mosque is overcrowded, the cafe grubby, the social centre and offices scruffy and uncomfortable. Not for long, hopes Kilic Iqbal, 27, who works for the Turkish religious and cultural association that runs the complex. 'It will be beautiful, but much more too,' said Iqbal. 'The Muslims of Germany have been here 40 years, there are more than 120,000 in Cologne, it will show we are part of society.

'It' is Germany's biggest Islamic centre, to be built in a suburb of the cathedral city. Costing £20m, raised through bank loans and donations from 884 Muslim associations, its focal point will be a huge mosque complete with 183ft-high minarets, a glass dome and enough space for up to 4,000 worshippers. Next week the plans for the project will be finalised and submitted to the city council. But though almost every party has approved the project in theory, the construction is still controversial. 'People are scared,' said Fritz Schamma, the Christian Democrat mayor. 'But the mosque will be built, that's certain. For me it is self-evident that the Muslim community needs a prestigious place of worship.'

Not everyone is of the same opinion. Last week the mosque project hit the headlines again against the background of a major row over a government-organised conference of 'national integration', the main plank of Chancellor Angela Merkel's strategy to integrate Germany's 15 million immigrants. A prominent survivor of the Holocaust said he feared the creation of a 'parallel [Muslim] society' where women

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TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enemywithin; germanmuslims; germany; infiltration; invasion; mosque; passion; racial
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1 posted on 07/15/2007 2:48:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

In for a penny, in for a pound.

Secualr Humanism requries that the mosque be permitted, even encouraged as a symbol of “diversity and tolerance”.

A master weaver is making thier own rope with which to hang themselves with, the Euros are going to be beggars at their own funerals, and they have the timerity to try and steal Kosovo Province from Serbia with the Germans leading the effort.


2 posted on 07/15/2007 2:53:05 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: blam

“Discrimination,” the guy says. Of course it is discrimination., It discriminates against child brides with alien backgrounds. Let the Turks marry girls who are German.


3 posted on 07/15/2007 2:53:47 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: blam

I’d always heard that Germany was really good about taking these muzzies in and (unlike the USA) turning them into productive Germans ... maybe I’m wrong?


4 posted on 07/15/2007 2:54:16 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: blam
Mosque Stirs Racial Passion In Germany

RACIAL, MY RATHER LARGE BACKSIDE!!!

Germans and some Europeans are just realizing they would rather
not be part of a new Islamic Caliphate.

Of course, the other real problem is too many of them want to be
part of a go-along, get-along, let's all sing Kumbiyah, peace-and-love-
only socialist utopians.

I hope more of them wake up.
VERY SOON or else!

PS: Even The Los Angeles Times had a sizeable article (about five
years ago) about how some Germans were just starting to freak out
with the coming (my phrase) "Mosque on Every Block" movement
sweeping areas with lots of Muslims.
Funny, the LA Times didn't call those culturally-insensitive
Germans "racists"!
5 posted on 07/15/2007 3:01:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Ken522

Do you recall where Mohammad Atta lived while hatching the 911 plot? I believe it was Hamburg.


6 posted on 07/15/2007 3:01:56 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: padre35

Right you are, and if history is any guide this can only eventually result in another Continental war.


7 posted on 07/15/2007 3:03:10 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: VOA

It’s not race, it’s culture.


8 posted on 07/15/2007 3:04:51 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: blam

Just limit the height of the minerets.

None of them can be over the height of a cathedral.

Put some other sensible limits out there.


9 posted on 07/15/2007 3:06:18 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: blam
Mosque Stirs Racial Passion In Germany

Didn't read the article because Turks (majority of Muslims in Germany) and Arabs are all Caucasians.

Racist, racial, etc., have been so overused they don't mean much any more -- If you look at a minority, any minority, wrong, you're a racist.
10 posted on 07/15/2007 3:11:04 PM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Ken522

I heard the same story, but I now think it is propaganda. My understanding was that the German/Muslim situation developed from a shortage of workers in Germany in the 60s/70s, and they imported many Turks on the theory that they were guest workers and not necessarily potential citizens. Then that changed.

Mo Atta spents lots of time with hospitable fellow Muslims in Hamburg. So I don’t buy the integrationist line any more. I was also told that Turkey’s Muslims were more secular and pro-western. I don’t think that is really the case. Turkey as a country may be pro-EU but there is definitely a resurgence of Muslim identity, not integration, in Germany.


11 posted on 07/15/2007 3:11:44 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: americanophile

“Right you are, and if history is any guide this can only eventually result in another Continental war.”

Hopefully not, I do wonder at times if Socialist Europe has any survival instinct at all, meaning that the larger the Islamic Communities grow, the inevitable Islamofascist groups will grow as well.

Even “if” say 4% of a Islamic population supports Sharia and hard core Islam, the larger that community grows, the larger number that 4% will become.

and 4% is a very very low estimate, a poll in the Uk found almost 40% support for suicide bombers in the Islamic community.


12 posted on 07/15/2007 3:15:53 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: blam
The author made the title misleading. It could be 'Mosque stirs religious passion in Germany.'

Though most of Germany's Muslim population is of Turkish origin, islamofascists come in a slew of 'races,' from Arab to African to European to East Asian to Latin American (most of those in the West seem to be Arab or East African, however).

P.S. And this post isn't a critique of you.

13 posted on 07/15/2007 3:19:49 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: w1andsodidwe

Yes, it was Hamburg.


14 posted on 07/15/2007 3:30:33 PM PDT by JamesWilson
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To: padre35

As always there will come a tipping point. The mega-mosques aren’t built yet. Once you see minarets dotting the skylines, the call to prayer replacing vesper bells, and openly Islamist political parties seeking power and trying to institute Sharia Law...there will be a push back. Things will quickly degenerate as rival groups, gangs and parties battle each other. Eventually you could see a full scale battle of civilizations on the steets of Europe. That is...if the precipitous European birthrate coupled with Muslim fertility and immigration don’t effectively supplant the European population altogether - conquest by breeding. Perhaps will see both.


15 posted on 07/15/2007 3:32:03 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Or, in the case of an enormous percentage of Muzzies, the lack thereof.


16 posted on 07/15/2007 3:39:15 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: VOA

“VERY SOON or else!”

There is a modern Hitler waiting in the wings.


17 posted on 07/15/2007 3:53:58 PM PDT by 353FMG (America, first, last and always.)
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The Muslims of Germany have been here 40 years, there are more than 120,000 in Cologne, it will show we are part of society.

Yeah, the part that wants to kill the rest of us.

18 posted on 07/15/2007 3:57:37 PM PDT by humblegunner (Word up!)
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To: blam
'"But the mosque will be built, that's certain. For me it is self-evident that the Muslim community needs a prestigious place of worship."

Translation: "my palms have been well greased on this one."

19 posted on 07/15/2007 3:58:40 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: padre35
America is right behind them FRiend

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

20 posted on 07/15/2007 4:02:35 PM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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