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A Brief History of Mormons and Politics - From Joseph Smith to Mitt Romney
LDS Living Magazine ^ | 07/02/07 | Matthew J. Kennedy

Posted on 07/08/2007 5:15:15 PM PDT by Reaganesque

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To: sevenbak; Elsie; Enosh; Colofornian; aMorePerfectUnion; Greg F; Revelation 911; colorcountry
This will likely be my last post to you for a while. The heresy you posted is worthy of a smackdown, but you no longer warrant attention.

You boldly offered the following fabricated words supposed from Joh The Baptist: "... and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness." There is nothing that any Levite priest could offer 'in righteousness' greater than Jesus on the Cross, that's why the passage is blasphemous and you cannot see the reality. It is blasphemy to assert as Joseph Smith did that a righteous offering would come 'in these latter days' after Jesus offered up Himself. I will no longer play straightman for your foolishness if you are going to post blasphemies.

221 posted on 07/15/2007 7:41:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: MHGinTN
LOL. You call it blasphemous when John says it to Joseph and Oliver, but when Malachi prophesies it happening, it’s ok.

I repeat:

Malachi 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Blasphemies aside, you seem to not be able to answer the question about Malachis words. Will Christ suddenly come to his temple or not prior to the 2nd coming?

222 posted on 07/15/2007 7:54:19 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: LiteKeeper

You might find this heresy interesting. I’ll leave this one to you.


223 posted on 07/15/2007 8:22:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: MHGinTN

Ahem

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1858886/posts?page=70#70

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1858886/posts?page=71#71

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1858886/posts?page=72#72


224 posted on 07/15/2007 8:25:53 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MHGinTN
I know you’ve decided not to answer me or post to me anymore, but at least have the courtesy to ping me in when you refer to my “heresy”.

Incidentally, this heresy has been the instrument in more than one member of the Jewish Faith investigating the Church and obtaining their own testimonies of it’s truthfulness, based initially on this fulfillment of prophesy.

225 posted on 07/15/2007 8:37:16 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: MHGinTN

One mans heresy is another mans prophesy.


226 posted on 07/15/2007 8:38:22 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: Calpernia

I read that one earlier today. Appreciate the links however. You cabbot reason with someone who is caught in a circle of deceit. Their ‘want it to be so’ is stronger than their spiritual vision. It’s a form of darkness and some show they love the darkness.


227 posted on 07/15/2007 8:42:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: MHGinTN

>>>It’s a form of darkness and some show they love the darkness.

Amen


228 posted on 07/15/2007 8:43:43 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: sevenbak
Incidentally, this heresy has been the instrument in more than one member of the Jewish Faith investigating the Church and obtaining their own testimonies of it’s truthfulness, based initially on this fulfillment of prophesy.

That, and the fact that John, in his bestowal of the priesthood to Joseph and Oliver, refers to the Christ as Messiah, not Jesus. Any scholar worth his salt would know this is how he would have referred to him. That Joseph, a uneducated backwoods boy could have known such things is yet another reason to look hard and pray hard before you scoff at such things.

229 posted on 07/15/2007 8:48:57 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: MHGinTN
Oh, and not to add insult to injury, but since you are calling out the “guard” to refute my heresy, let me add more to this discussion of the last days, and more fulfilled prophecy.

Keep reading, Malachi Chapter 4. The very last chapter of the old testament, just a few verses past what we just talked about: If you had any doubt that Malachi was talking about the last days before, this should help.

MALACHI
CHAPTER 4

1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 ¶ But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness barise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4 ¶ Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in bHoreb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

THE END OF THE PROPHETS

Elijah the prophet did in fact confer the keys of sealing upon Joseph, and these keys are passed down through succeeding prophets and generations. Temple work is for this purpose, to turn the hearts of the fathers to thier children and visa versa.

Now, compare the visit of Elijah to Joseph:

D&C 110:

13 After this vision had closed, another great and glorious vision burst upon us; for Elijah the prophet, who was taken to heaven without tasting death, stood before us, and said:
14 Behold, the time has fully come, which was spoken of by the mouth of Malachi—testifying that he [Elijah] should be sent, before the great and dreadful day of the Lord come—
15 To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse—
16 Therefore, the keys of this dispensation are committed into your hands; and by this ye may know that the great and dreadful day of the Lord is near, even at the doors.

230 posted on 07/15/2007 9:20:51 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: sevenbak

I fine it amazing that the House of the Lord aka know as the Lords Temple,

At the time when Jesus Christ threw out the Money changers of his temple, MGH now wants to call it the Jewish Temple.

He waste more time debunking instead of having a one on one with the Lord so Jesus can teach MHG by the power of the Holy Spirit.


231 posted on 07/15/2007 9:49:24 PM PDT by restornu
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To: MHGinTN
1 more related post before I go to bed.

It is interesting that In Jewish tradition, on the second night of Passover they must leave open the door and place at the table head an empty chair and a goblet full of wine in the expectation that Elijah may come. It is interesting, especially in light of that Jewish tradition, that April 3, 1836, was the second day of Passover.

Elijah did come. He came to the Kirtland Temple on April 3, 1836, the 2nd day of passover. And he did come to a home, God’s home, His temple. (See D&C 110:13–16.)

232 posted on 07/15/2007 9:49:28 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: restornu
Resty, good point, the only way to know any of this for certain is through the Holy Spirit, who testifies of truth.

Trying to go it alone based on our own knowledge and understanding is asking for trouble. The arm of flesh will fail every time without the spirit of truth.

Have a good night.

233 posted on 07/15/2007 9:53:55 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: sevenbak; MHGinTN

Seven the truth is not important to MHG to let the chips fall where they may!

All these chatterers can do is throw out one canard after another in hope it will stick or fine one that can not be answered to!

I am so thankful for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and today the talks that were given in all our meeting today showed how much of the Spirit of the God is being poured out upon those children of his that can see and hear his WORD!

For the Last couple of weeks myself I been having wonderful insights that the Spirit of the Lord has been increasing my understanding of my walk and to get my life in step with the Lord council.

I just know this teaching is going on across the globe, it is exciting.

I have learned the more we are honoring our covenants the greater is our reception in the Temple the presents of the Lord is increased two fold for that individual.

Be of good Cheer!


234 posted on 07/15/2007 10:05:03 PM PDT by restornu
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To: sevenbak
John the Baptist appeared to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdry along the bank of the Susquehanna River, near Harmony, Pennsylvania, May 15, 1829, (HC 1: 39–42.)

Wow! My John the Baptist, from the Bible, says that we must now worship "in spirit and truth" and "he (Christ) must become greater that I become less." Not exactly what Smith did with his lies in a Sermon about his having multiple wives (not worshipping in truth), his claim that God is physical (why do we need to worship in Spirit if God is physical?) and his boasting that he was greater than Christ. That boasting goes beyone "bad taste" -- it's a direct violation of scriptural injunction from John the Baptist. It is not something a Christian does.

235 posted on 07/16/2007 3:17:06 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Greg F

Here is Josph Smith’s lovely boast that he is bigger and better than Jesus Christ:

Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet. You know my daily walk and conversation. I am in the bosom of a virtuous and good people. How I do love to hear the wolves howl! When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go.

But of course, Christian’s should ignore this stuff from Smith and pretend that Mormons are Christians as Mormons sometimes claim (when they are not busy attacking Christians).


236 posted on 07/16/2007 3:33:39 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: MHGinTN

There is nothing that any Levite priest could offer ‘in righteousness’ greater than Jesus on the Cross,

deserves a repeat


237 posted on 07/16/2007 5:33:04 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911

Thank you ... I was beginning to think the strangeness coming from the Mormons on this Mormonism thread was getting to the level that others were avoiding the thing all together. Can’t say as I blame anyone for shunning them.


238 posted on 07/16/2007 8:29:06 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: MHGinTN
Placemark I still can't believe that source reference to LDS scripture is supposed to convince non-mormons!
239 posted on 07/16/2007 8:43:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39
I wonder, is the 'burning in the bosom' in essence a brand? 666 ? Mercy, let's pray not!
240 posted on 07/16/2007 8:48:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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