A Brief History of Mormons and Politics - From Joseph Smith to Mitt Romney

LDS Living Magazine ^ | 07/02/07 | Matthew J. Kennedy

[LeGrande]

As an atheist, I disdain all religions equally, but with great respect. Well, maybe not that last part.

Hey, I thought I was the resident atheist on these threads ^_^ Kind of like shooting fish in a barrel isn't it?

[svcw]

Mr. Grey,
Am I getting this straight, tithes are not a covenant between man and God but mandatory between LDS leaders and their followers?
Man oh man, and here I thought it was no ones business but Gods as to whether I tithed or not.

[svcw]

Very nicely done.

[gcruse]

^5

[Sherman Logan]

wants to ignore the mob murdering of their men, women and children - little babies taken by their feet and brains bashed out on buildings.Y'all are letting your rhetoric carry you away.

I've done a fair amount of research on the mob violence against Mormons.

I haven't run across a single historical incident of intentional murder of Mormon women or young children, with the exception of the murder of a 10-year old boy at Haun's Mill.

To be sure, it's quite possible women and children died in crossfire as collateral damage. And no doubt at all that they died from hardships associated with being driven from their homes.

But baby-brain-bashing?

Citation please.

It doesn't help the Mormon case to bring up the whole murder of women and children thing, as we do know that dozens of women and children were treacherously murdered in cold blood by the Mormon militia at Mountain Meadows.

[svcw]

So Miss Sandra you are making equivalent Smith and Christ.

[restornu]

1 Cor 2
12 Now we have received,
not the spirit of the world,
but the spirit which is of God;
that we might know the things
that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak,
not in the words
which man’s wisdom teacheth,
but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man
receiveth not the things
of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.

[svcw]

Why are you here?

[Sherman Logan]

>>>Since ONLY the Levitical Priesthood was allowed to practice the administration of the Temple,

>>True in Mosaic OT times under the mosaic law (in the tabernacle and the temple). However, in the NT under the Higher law we have record of Paul (tribe of Benjamin) and other Non-levites worshipping in the Temple.

Hogwash and baloney. The Temple of Paul’s (and Jesus’s) day had successive courts, with increasingly limited access.

The outermost was the Court of the Gentiles. Anyone could enter there.

Next came the Court of Women. Any Israelite could go into it.

Then the Court of Israel. Only Jewish men could enter.

They came the areas where only Levites could enter, followed by those restricted to priests.

Finally only the High Priest entered the Most Holy, and he only once a year.

The “Jews from Asia” started a riot by claiming that Paul brought gentiles through the Court of the Gentiles and Court of Women into the Court of Israel. He hadn’t, of course.

Finally, while the NT may have made changes in the status of individuals, these were certainly not recognized by the Jewish non-Christian administration of the Temple at the time in question.

[gcruse]

For the same reason people go to the zoo.

[Sherman Logan]

Insofar as the Mormon Church always having been an aggressive opponent of slavery, I ran across the following citation.

The Utah Mormons took a novel stand – a sort of compulsory neutrality – on the slavery question. About 1850 the official organ of the Church declared: “We feel it our duty to define our position in relation to slavery. . . There is no law in Utah to authorize slaver, neither any to prohibit it. If a slave is disposed to leave his master, no power exists here either legal or moral, that will prevent him. But if a slave chooses to remain with his master, none are allowed to interfere between the master and the slave. . . When a man in the Southern States embraces our faith, and is the owner of slaves, the Church says to him: If your slaves wish to remain with you, put them not away; but if they choose to leave you, or are not satisfied to remain with you, it is for you to sell them, or to let them go free, as your own conscience may direct you. The Church on this assumes the responsibility to direct. The laws of the land recognize slavery; we do not wish to oppose the laws of the country”

(The Frontier Guardian (date not given), quoted in the Eleventh Annual Report (1851) of the American and Foreign Anti-Slavery Society, pp. 94-95).

http://books.google.com/books?id=jzQOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=mormons+slavery+missouri&source=web&ots=AlQTBQkFrt&sig=M_ThA83Mei42O8TkMhHlzJqxX1U#PPA122,M1

Not exactly a rousing statement of abolitionism.

[MHGinTN]

I cannot take credit for it ... I lifted it from another thread.

[svcw]

An interesting answer, so if I were a monkey I could throw poo at you I guess.
Wait, .......

[restornu]

You know what. Joseph Smith predicted this kind of ill treatment - that his name would be known for good and evil. You are fulfilling prophesy by making fun of him and calling him names and I am fulfilling prophesy by saying he was a Prophet of God and worthy of respect in the same way Moses was. Oh, by the way, they made fun of Moses, too, and all of the Prophets, spit on them, and laughed them to scorn. (They did it to Jesus, too, and still do to this day.) You are in great company.

That isn't what Saundra was saying but did Jesus said in Matt 17

Its called exercising faith

Matt 17
20 And Jesus said unto them,
Because of your unbelief:
for verily I say unto you,

If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed,
ye shall say unto this mountain,
Remove hence to yonder place;
and it shall remove;
and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

[Revelation 911]

youve not answered a single question or clarified anything - have a wonderful evening

[restornu]

...and some will deny the words of the Lord

[Petronski]

Thanks for reposting that. It is marvelous.

[MHGinTN]

We’re in for a rough political season. The DNC will use it to divide and isolate factions of conservatives.

[Revelation 911]

...and some will deny the words of the Lord

I'll remind you dear, Im a Pastor, and have been for some time now

[Daimao]

To: JAKraig You wrote, Anyone who is as judgmental as you about what another person believes in as Gospel is a pompous, arrogant ass. I don’t mind that you will not vote for or support a candidate. Do what you want but stop calling good people names. That was pretty funny, really. On one hand you call me names then get mad at ME for calling YOU a name. How's this for calling you a name.... you are a hypocrite. 98 posted on 07/09/2007 7:34:54 AM MDT by Mobile Vulgus

To: MHGinTN You are calling Saundra ‘simple minded’. I, for one, take offense. Sorry, but your "offense" doesn't mean a thing to me. Besides, if you'll go back and ACTUALLY read what I wrote, I said "people who". I didn't say her. If she fits that appellation, it is out of my hands. 99 posted on 07/09/2007 7:38:10 AM MDT by Mobile Vulgus

I think the best part for me, aside from reading these two posts side-by-side like this, is the realization that you posted them back-to-back, only minutes apart.

Carry on.

You wrote,

Anyone who is as judgmental as you about what another person believes in as Gospel is a pompous, arrogant ass.

I don’t mind that you will not vote for or support a candidate. Do what you want but stop calling good people names.

That was pretty funny, really. On one hand you call me names then get mad at ME for calling YOU a name.

How's this for calling you a name.... you are a hypocrite.

You are calling Saundra ‘simple minded’. I, for one, take offense.

Sorry, but your "offense" doesn't mean a thing to me. Besides, if you'll go back and ACTUALLY read what I wrote, I said "people who". I didn't say her. If she fits that appellation, it is out of my hands.