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BBC: Clashes erupt at Pakistan mosque ( The Red Mosque - fights for Sharia Law)
BBC ^ | Tuesday, 3 July 2007, 13:59 GMT 14:59 UK | BBC Staff

Posted on 07/03/2007 7:59:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Clashes erupt at Pakistan mosque

Masked mosque students exchanged fire with soldiers


At least seven people have died in clashes between security forces and militant students at a mosque in the Pakistani capital, officials say.

A soldier, two policemen and two students are among the dead.

After several hours of shooting outside the controversial Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) a ceasefire was negotiated.

Armed students at the mosque and religious schools linked to it have defied the authorities for months in a campaign for Islamic Sharia law.

The mosque and the two madrassas (religious schools) attached to it have been at the centre of a number of high-profile incidents.

These include the kidnapping of police and people the mosque says are involved in immoral activities such as prostitution.

Injured

The BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan who is outside the mosque says the ceasefire was negotiated by a politician from the MMA, a coalition of Islamic parties.

Police and doctors say two policemen, one soldier, two students and a passer-by were killed. A cameraman filming the violence also died.

Other reports put the death toll at more than 10.

Female madrassa students armed with sticks, 3 July


At the height of the violence, regular police and paramilitary units ringing the mosque compound were replaced by what appeared to be special forces, our correspondent says.

Ambulances and journalists were told to move further away from the scene.

Large groups of students - mostly armed with sticks and petrol bombs, but some with guns and wearing masks - have been patrolling around the mosque.

The first confirmed death on Tuesday - of a paramilitary soldier - was the first fatality in the prolonged stand-off between the authorities and the students.

A senior paramilitary official, Masha Allah, told reporters outside the Lal Masjid that the soldier had been "killed in the firing from inside the mosque".

Doctors at a nearby hospital later said two students had also succumbed to their gunshot injuries.

The students say scores of people from the mosque have been affected by the tear gas.

Doctors confirmed they were treating about 60 people suffering the effects of tear gas, the Associated Press news agency reported. Several students had bullet wounds, doctors said.

Kidnappings

There are two religious schools (madrassas) attached to the mosque, one for men, one for women.

Tuesday's trouble started when a group of female students came out in large numbers and the paramilitary police used tear gas against them.

Extra police had been deployed around the mosque earlier in the day.

An official said the move was to prevent the seminary students from taking the law into their own hands.

Mosque leaders say the security forces started the trouble by erecting barricades near the mosque.

Critics have attacked the government for failing to enforce its authority in the capital.

Correspondents say the authorities have seemed unwilling or unable to act. President Musharraf has said security forces cannot raid the mosque for fear of reprisal suicide attacks.




TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: educatedmurderers; globaljihad; islam; islamisasislamdoes; pakistan; sharialaw
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1 posted on 07/03/2007 7:59:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Where is Rage Boy?


2 posted on 07/03/2007 8:00:39 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump for publicity


3 posted on 07/03/2007 8:00:55 AM PDT by VOA
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To: All; Valin; sgtbono2002; Dog; Cap Huff
Earlier thread from May:

PAKISTAN: NEW STANDOFF AT RADICAL MOSQUE

4 posted on 07/03/2007 8:02:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: squarebarb

Isn’t he in Lebanon?


5 posted on 07/03/2007 8:03:25 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: squarebarb
Well,...he might be in this picture somewhere:

Masked mosque students exchanged fire with soldiers

6 posted on 07/03/2007 8:05:25 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It seems to me that if Pakistan goes radical muslim, government wise, then India will need to respond. I wonder if a pre-emptive strike on the basis of “use them or lose them” might occur?


7 posted on 07/03/2007 8:07:03 AM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hate Crimes! Islamophobia!! Racists!!!

Oh, they're doing it to each other?

Never mind! ;^)

8 posted on 07/03/2007 8:07:39 AM PDT by airborne (COULTER: Actually, my favorite candidate is [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA], and he is magnificent.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

a stick at a gunfight,,,,,,?


9 posted on 07/03/2007 8:15:57 AM PDT by fishtank ("Amnesty" and "amnesia" are from the same root word !!!)
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To: PsyOp
" I wonder if a pre-emptive strike on the basis of “use them or lose them” might occur?"

We can hope.

10 posted on 07/03/2007 8:16:17 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Mabye now they'll be so concerned with hating each other that they will leave the rest of us alone.

We can only hope the same for Gaza.

11 posted on 07/03/2007 8:16:44 AM PDT by Inquisitive1 (I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; armymarinemom

armymarinemom, never mind Ernest comes through again..or should I say still.


12 posted on 07/03/2007 8:18:58 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A Civil War No One Wants (Pakistan)
Strategypage ^ | 7/3/07

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1860193/posts
Posted on 07/03/2007 9:35:12 AM CDT by Valin

Pakistan is facing a civil war between the military (representing about ten percent of the population), the Islamic militants (about 30 percent) and the secular political parties (60 percent). The military groups are the most disciplined, and are well funded by a military business empire (an outgrowth of military foundations established to provide pensions and such for veterans). The Islamic militants are the most poor and ill educated, with most of their supporters in the tribal areas. The political parties are crippled by partisanship and corruption, but are currently more united and focused by a desire to avoid a religious dictatorship, or a military one. The Islamic militants are trying to use terror to take over. The political parties use large demonstrations and strikes. The military has police and troops. No one wants a civil war, but everyone wants to run the country.
(snip)


13 posted on 07/03/2007 8:20:27 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin; SandRat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Allegra; ...

Thanks for that link....man,...talk about 4th of July Fireworks,,,


14 posted on 07/03/2007 8:32:57 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: PsyOp; airborne; fishtank; Inquisitive1

See link at post #13,...


15 posted on 07/03/2007 8:36:12 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: fishtank
a stick at a gunfight,,,,,,?

My same thought when I saw it.

16 posted on 07/03/2007 8:38:00 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

As I’ve said before...you look at a map of Pakistan and think wow, there’s the capital, there’s the major cities, why it’s a real country. Nothing could be further from the truth. It’s a collection of tribes/clans that don’t like each other and the only thing that binds them togeather is they don’t really like India.


17 posted on 07/03/2007 8:40:30 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Have you seen this?

US to hunt the Taliban inside Pakistan ...... (Musharraf to address to the nation)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1859648/posts


18 posted on 07/03/2007 8:41:19 AM PDT by airborne (COULTER: Actually, my favorite candidate is [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA], and he is magnificent.)
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To: airborne; Valin

Oh, goody,...I’m not sure this will work out...maybe we are gonna go and get the keys to the Nuke vaults....


19 posted on 07/03/2007 8:53:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Armed students at the mosque”. The religion of peace strikes again. I can’t think of another religion that arms its students with AK47’s.


20 posted on 07/03/2007 9:17:57 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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