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China claims microprocessor technology breakthrough
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Posted on 06/26/2007 7:10:24 AM PDT by Rock N Jones

Thanks to AMD(AMD), who two years ago transferred some core X86 processor technology to China(one would guess in exchange for business opportunities).

Today, a Beijing University subsidiary company claims that it has completely mastered the X86 technology and is now capable of manufacturing X86 processors. The report also said that during the past two years, AMD has from time to time sent several senior engineers and project managers over to assist China in the "learning" process, which has finally born fruit as of today.

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1 posted on 06/26/2007 7:10:26 AM PDT by Rock N Jones
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To: Rock N Jones

who’d they steal this technology from......??


2 posted on 06/26/2007 7:11:43 AM PDT by Vaquero (STOP GLOBAL WHINING!!!)
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To: Rock N Jones

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Today’s news should serve as yet another reminder of how China does business as Beijing continues to play the same Duopoly strategy, pitting one firm against the other, exchanging market share for core technologies: Boeing vs Airbus, GSM Nokia vs. CDMA Qualcomm, and now Intel vs. AMD. Eventually China will displace all above firms, at least in China(it will take several decades) and be the dominant low-cost producer in cutting edge technology.....end


3 posted on 06/26/2007 7:16:17 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Rock N Jones
Thanks to AMD(AMD), who two years ago transferred some core X86 processor technology to China (one would guess in exchange for business opportunities).

I wonder how that's working out?
Muslims with a brain...
*shudder*

4 posted on 06/26/2007 7:16:18 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Vaquero

Stealing was probably not necessary. x86 assembly language and processor design is taught in the ECE/CS departments of most major U.S. universities.

However, some of AMD’s newer, cutting-edge innovations might have been transferred, but then again, there’s Intel, and I highly doubt that they are going to give away their newest and most shiny designs.

The fact that the Chinese are only now “mastering” basic x86 processor design and assembly language is NOT at all impressive.


5 posted on 06/26/2007 7:17:17 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * wahoo wa! ... U.Va. Engineering '09)
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6 posted on 06/26/2007 7:18:27 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Vaquero
who’d they steal this technology from......??

The answer is in the beginning of the article: "Thanks to AMD". But, it wasn't stolen. It was given or transferred to them by our eager and greedy technology firms, in this case AMD.
7 posted on 06/26/2007 7:19:01 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Rock N Jones
So what version of an X86 are they talking about? The latest Athlon chips or the almost 30 year old 8086?
8 posted on 06/26/2007 7:21:34 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (A base looking for a party.)
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That’s what I was thinkin’.

Who cares if they make a killer 286? They’re a little late to the party.


9 posted on 06/26/2007 7:30:08 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Rock N Jones

Interesting, a ChiComm ‘breakthrough’ is figuring out how to pirate someone else’s technology, rather than developing a new one to advance the capabilities of microprocessors.


10 posted on 06/26/2007 7:30:42 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: adorno

AMD stole it from Intel, though.


11 posted on 06/26/2007 7:31:24 AM PDT by Brilliant
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8 bits and 10 megahertz!!!!


12 posted on 06/26/2007 7:31:37 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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I'm with you. Why is this news? The complete specifications for the x86 architecture are out there for anyone to implement.

but then again, there’s Intel, and I highly doubt that they are going to give away their newest and most shiny designs.

Intel set up shop there not long ago, and of course the technology went with it. But the lowest they could go was their 90nm process. I doubt China got the latest and greatest in any AMD deal either.

13 posted on 06/26/2007 7:36:04 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Brilliant
AMD stole it from Intel, though.

AMD stole nothing.

Intel granted AMD generous licensing deals early on when the were helping provide extra manufacturing capacity for Intel. AMD eventually had to distance itself from copied x86 microcode, which they did. AMD's is now a completely independent, unique implementation of the x86 instruction set, and has been for years.

Interestingly, with the advent of 64-bit x86 processing, AMD turned the tables and became the leader. They released a 64-bit consumer CPU--the Opteron--onto the market in 2003, before Intel, so Intel was essentially forced by the market to make their 64-bit x86 instruction set "AMD compatible".

14 posted on 06/26/2007 7:41:23 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Rock N Jones

This is no big deal. There are hundreds of millions of PCs in every corner of the world. If AMD is stupid enough to give trade secrets away to a place with patent and copyright lawlessness; thats their idiocy.


15 posted on 06/26/2007 7:42:51 AM PDT by Weeedley
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Sure. Just like they’ve “mastered the technology” of producing toothpaste and pet food ingredients.


16 posted on 06/26/2007 7:45:08 AM PDT by BMIC
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To: Rock N Jones

If AMD gives them technology that hurts Intel’s margins, they might view it as a temporary good thing.


17 posted on 06/26/2007 7:47:08 AM PDT by ikka
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Today I will stop by my car service station to see if the tires he wants to sell me for my SUV are made in
China. Good price.


18 posted on 06/26/2007 7:48:23 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: TChris
Interestingly, with the advent of 64-bit x86 processing, AMD turned the tables and became the leader. They released a 64-bit consumer CPU--the Opteron--onto the market in 2003, before Intel, so Intel was essentially forced by the market to make their 64-bit x86 instruction set "AMD compatible".

And for that, I thank them. Intel kept going down the Itanium road until AMD beat them and they were forced to design X86 64 bit processors.

19 posted on 06/26/2007 7:49:54 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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And for that, I thank them. Intel kept going down the Itanium road until AMD beat them and they were forced to design X86 64 bit processors.

Yup. Large clusters of inexpensive Opterons will stomp all over an Itanium for the same price and power requirements too.

20 posted on 06/26/2007 7:55:31 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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