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Marine may not be eligible for Haditha prosecution [Lt. Andrew Grayson]
Associated Press ^ | June 13, 2007

Posted on 06/13/2007 2:03:03 PM PDT by RedRover

SAN DIEGO (AP) - A Camp Pendleton Marine accused of failing to investigate the murder of 24 Iraqis might not be eligible for prosecution.

The attorney representing First Lieutenant Andrew Grayson says Marines must be on active duty to be prosecuted under military law.

However, Grayson was discharged on June first, according to papers obtained by the Associated Press.

Twenty-six year-old Grayson is 1 of 7 Marines facing charges for the killing of men, women, and children in the Iraqi town of Haditha.

A squad of enlisted Marines executed the civilians after a bomb struck their truck convoy in 2005.

Grayson faces charges of obstructing justice, making a false official statement, and dereliction of duty for not investigating the incident.

He was to attend a preliminary hearing Monday at Camp Pendleton, where an officer will recommend whether Grayson should stand trial, but his attorney has now advised him not to appear.

The Marine Corps disputes that Grayson has been deactivated and declined to explain why he had received discharge papers.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defendourmarines; grayson; haditha
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Breaking news on the Haditha Marine front! Updates will be posted on this thread.
1 posted on 06/13/2007 2:03:06 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: freema; Lancey Howard; Grimmy; gardencatz; Girlene; lilycicero; pinkpanther111; jazusamo; jude24

Pinging you even though I don't understand what's going on here!

2 posted on 06/13/2007 2:09:15 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend our Marines)
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A squad of enlisted Marines executed the civilians after a bomb struck their truck convoy in 2005.

Nice to know the Associated Press is being objective. Tried and convicted in the press before the trial even begins.

3 posted on 06/13/2007 2:14:59 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: RedRover
From a legal standpoint, it's straightforward. In order to bring a person before a military tribunal under the UCMJ, the person must be **subject** to the UCMJ. A civilian is not ordinarily subject to the UCMJ (I don't have time to check to see if there are any exeptions.)

Basically, the military court may not have jurisdiction over Lt. Grayson since he is no longer an active-duty officer. IIRC, there was another kid in one of the alleged Massacres who is facing Federal charges, rather than military tribunal charges, for just the same reason.

4 posted on 06/13/2007 2:16:01 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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To: RedRover

I compare the haditha case to the Scooter Libby trial.

Its of no worth, but they are determined to find a scapegoat.

Muck like the My Lai trial when they scapegoated Lt William Calley.


5 posted on 06/13/2007 2:16:16 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (http://www.imwithfred.com/index.aspx)
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To: RedRover

Bump


6 posted on 06/13/2007 2:24:49 PM PDT by TBP
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To: PsyOp
A squad of enlisted Marines executed the civilians after a bomb struck their truck convoy in 2005.

Nice to know the Associated Press is being objective. Tried and convicted in the press before the trial even begins.

As the legal term is "murdered" not "executed", I'd say AP is being charitable.

7 posted on 06/13/2007 2:25:27 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: RedRover
A squad of enlisted Marines executed the civilians after a bomb struck their truck convoy in 2005.

HUH?? Looks like al-murthawi has talked to and convinced AP that these Marines are guilty.

Nothing like fair and well informed reporting, what a bunch of maroons!

8 posted on 06/13/2007 2:27:59 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jude24
Seems pretty daffy to me that the Corps would be taken by surprise by this development. I doubted this at first, but Lt. Grayson's attorney should know what he's doing. His lawyer is Joseph Casa, who served as a prosecutor for the Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps.
9 posted on 06/13/2007 2:28:05 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend our Marines)
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To: PsyOp
"A squad of enlisted Marines executed the civilians after a bomb struck their truck convoy in 2005."

"Nice to know the Associated Press is being objective. Tried and convicted in the press before the trial even begins."


That's the first f***ing thing that caught my eye too. Damn b*stards.
10 posted on 06/13/2007 2:31:07 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot
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To: jude24
there was another kid in one of the alleged Massacres who is facing Federal charges

That's the Army guy in the rape, murder incident that was discharged because of some kind of psych disorder before charges were brought by the Army.

11 posted on 06/13/2007 2:31:21 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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Since nothing has been established in court, I’d say the AP has an agenda.

How ‘bout you, Ozboy? What’s your agenda? Or are you just an irresponsible fool?


12 posted on 06/13/2007 2:51:23 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend our Marines)
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To: sgtbono2002

Calley was guilty and deserved to hang for his crimes, instead he got a couple of years of house arrest and a pardon. Putting this Marine in his company gives Calley a legitimacy he doesn’t deserve and until there is a court-martial, undeservedly tarnishes the Marine Lt. by association.


13 posted on 06/13/2007 2:56:07 PM PDT by skepsel
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To: Oztrich Boy

Maybe you could fill us in, OBOY. Do you have a crystal ball, have you been talking to Tim McGirk or john murtha or are you just shooting your mouth off?

If you don’t have anything informed to say or anything to support these Marines until they’ve had their day in court, why don’t you GET LOST and STAY LOST.


14 posted on 06/13/2007 2:57:20 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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First Lt. Andrew Grayson was charged with dereliction of duty, false officials statements and obstruction of justice.

Hard to imagine these charges getting flipped to a civ court. Wonder if we'll be having another "congratulations" thread before long?

15 posted on 06/13/2007 3:21:35 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend our Marines)
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To: RedRover

If he was separated from active duty but still has a Reserves obligation, whether active or inactive like we enlisted personnel back in the old Navy (60’s), he would still be subject to the UCMJ.

However, it’s quite possible that officer ranks do not have a Reserve obligation.

Nonetheless, sounds like AP has “executed” their orders from Murtha and Co.


16 posted on 06/13/2007 3:29:39 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: RedRover

I tend to agree with you, Red. I find it hard to believe they’d prosecute these charges in a civ court, especially after the recommendation for Capt. Stone was no court-martial. Here’s hoping!


17 posted on 06/13/2007 3:32:20 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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Hard to imagine these charges getting flipped to a civ court

There are civilian analogs to all three charges. It's conceivable that, if the US Attorneys really wanted to, they could bring a Federal prosecution against him.

18 posted on 06/13/2007 3:47:54 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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Plenty of “exceptions”......see Article 2 here:

http://www.jag.navy.mil/documents/UCMJ.pdf


19 posted on 06/13/2007 3:51:57 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; RedRover
Actually, keeping a UCMJ on my hard drive isn't a bad idea.

I just don't have the time to do legal research these days...

20 posted on 06/13/2007 3:55:43 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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