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1 posted on 05/31/2007 6:58:58 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: Guenevere

It’s even worse than we thought.


2 posted on 05/31/2007 6:59:46 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper

“I’m deeply concerned about America losing its soul.”

You’ve got to be kidding me. How can he not get it? WE’RE SICK AND TIRED OF IT! How many effing different ways do we need to say it???

!#$^!#&#!&!#%


3 posted on 05/31/2007 7:00:45 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: truthkeeper; Liz; indylindy

GWB has jumped the shark. He can now kiss my conservative butt.


4 posted on 05/31/2007 7:00:57 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: truthkeeper

These particular newcomers are not looking to assymilate Mr. President, they are here for a paycheck and that’s it. They have no desire to “become american”.


5 posted on 05/31/2007 7:01:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: truthkeeper

I’m riled.


7 posted on 05/31/2007 7:02:49 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: truthkeeper

I wish the President would take on Democrats in this manner. The only topic where he seems to get really angry is this one, and the only people he directs this kind of anger at is...well, those of us that put him in the Whitehouse in the first place.

All the President has done with this is cause the GOP ‘base’ to agree with the Dems that the time between now and January of 2009 is going to be long.

I’m simply disgusted by this.


9 posted on 05/31/2007 7:04:08 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: truthkeeper

He is not the guy I voted for. He has turned into a bleeding heart liberal.


12 posted on 05/31/2007 7:04:26 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: truthkeeper

Remember the Alamo, George.


16 posted on 05/31/2007 7:09:51 AM PDT by farmer18th
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To: truthkeeper
"I am worried that a backlash to newcomers would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers."

Unfortunately many of us are currently living the nightmare of seeing what this unchecked influx has done to our lives. I will soon be retiring and leaving California. The quality of life here has seriously deteriorated. My upscale neighborhood now looks like a used car parking lot. Sometimes I can barely get in my driveway because of all the randomly parked cars. Thank you banks for now approving mortgages without the necessity of seeing a social security number.

Shopping is a nightmare. Can't get down the aisles, because of whole families blocking aisles. Shopping carts are left just where they are unloaded, no matter if it is behind my car. It would be too much trouble to walk two cars over and place in the cart return.

This group of immigrants are the rudest people I have ever met. Would seem to me that if you an illegal guest in someone else's country, that you would try to fit in. These latest arrivals do not care to do that.

17 posted on 05/31/2007 7:10:21 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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None of this would be happening if Bush had simply adopted a commonsense immigration enforcement policy at the beginning of his administration. He’s got no one to blame for this problem but himself.


19 posted on 05/31/2007 7:11:01 AM PDT by Brilliant
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The Devil is in the details Mr. Bush....

From The New York Post

RX FOR BREAKDOWN
By KRIS W. KOBACH
May 27, 2007 — ONE of the biggest - and least discussed - problems with the immigration bill now before the Senate is the sheer impossibility of implementing it.
The measure would triple the workload at the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services - an agency that the Government Accountability Office says is already at the breaking point. It’s an invitation not only to fraud, but to any terrorist group or criminal gang that’s looking to insert minions into America.
AT the center of the bill is the massive “Z visa” amnesty - whereby virtually all of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the country could become lawfully present, able to renew the visa indefinitely until they die.
To qualify, an alien must have entered before Jan. 1, and have remained in the United States ever since. Each applicant must also have a job or be the parent, child or spouse of someone who does.
Many of the bill’s advocates claim the amnesty doesn’t take effect until some future date - after the measure’s border-security goals are met. Not true - at least, not in effect. The amnesty starts immediately - with the issuance of probationary Z visas.
And that qualifier means little: The probationary visa is nearly as good as the non-probationary one, giving the alien immediate lawful status, protection from deportation and work authorization the alien to work. He or she can exit and re-enter the country (with advance permission).
It will extremely hard for the government to prevent criminals and terrorists from getting these probationary visas. The bill allows the federal government only one business day to do a “background check” on each applicant.
The bill’s authors seem ignorant of what this means in practice. The government has no single, readily searchable database of all the world’s dangerous people. Much of the relevant information exists only on paper, while foreign governments are the source for other data.
NOR does the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) have the resources to implement an amnesty on this scale. Consider a few numbers.
On top of the millions of illegals already in the country, we can expect a mass influx of millions of new illegals arriving to fraudulently apply for the amnesty. Fraud won’t be hard: To show they were “actually” here before Jan. 1, the bill requires USCIS workers to accept any bank statement, pay stub, remittance receipt or similar record - all easily forgeable.
This is exactly what happened with the 1986 amnesty. Hundreds of thousands streamed across the border to fraudulently apply. Caseworkers found 398,000 cases of fraud - and no one knows how much fraud went undetected.
So let’s assume (conservatively) that 12 million illegals apply for the amnesty within the year allowed. Since the federal government is open for business 250 days a year, there will be an average of 48,000 amnesty applications every day.
USCIS now has about 3,000 “adjudicators” - the caseworkers who’d have to process the Z-visa applications. The Senate bill would only add 100 a year for five years - “subject to the availability of appropriations.” And it wouldn’t be easy to expand the force much faster, due to the difficulty of hiring and training new adjudicators.
So, we have 3,000 people hit with 48,000 applications a day. Of course, on some days - or in some offices - the number could easily double. And with each application, the adjudicator has only one day to determine if the alien is a criminal or a national security threat.
It gets worse. Those numbers assume that the adjudicators aren’t already busy. In fact, they’re swamped.
IN FY 2005, USCIS received 6.3 million applications - on top of a backlog of several million unresolved applications.
The agency is stretched to the breaking point, according to a 2006 study by the federal Government Accountability Office. That report noted that, because adjudicators must go through so many applications for benefits (for green cards, asylum and much more) every day, they spend too little time scrutinizing them. As a result, the GAO concluded, failure to detect fraud is already “an ongoing and serious problem.”
The back-breaking workload results in what the GAO calls a “high pressure production environment.” It is widely known that an unofficial “six-minute rule” applies - spend no more than six minutes looking at any single application.
It’s a bureaucratic sweatshop. Adjudicators told the GAO that their managers were consumed with meeting “production goals,” driving the workers to process applications too quickly and increasing the risk of undetected fraud. Cash rewards are even given to the adjudicators who can work the fastest.
As a result, USCIS doesn’t even bother to do commonsense verification with outside agencies - for example, calling a state Department of Motor Vehicles to see if two people claiming to be married actually live at the same address. Such scrutiny would take too much time. Many managers actually discourage caseworkers from seeking more info from aliens who submit suspicious applications.
If they won’t call an American DMV, how can we expect the agency to contact local officials in Colombia to check for a criminal record?
Meanwhile, the pressure of the one-day time limit for background checks would force all amnesty applicants to the top of the pile. So much for the promise from the bill’s authors that “illegal aliens will go to the back of the line.”
THE USCIS is already dangerously overburdened and unable to effectively detect fraud. Yet the Senate bill would triple the incoming workload - adding 12 million amnesty applications on top of the 6 million or so the caseworkers already have to handle each year. (By the way, the 12 million amnesty recipients would have to come back every four years to renew their Z-visas, too.)
Last year, with a similarly huge amnesty on the table, USCIS officials said the agency might well contract out the amnesty work to people who’d get receive only a few weeks of training. And there would be no time to do background checks on the contract workers, themselves. That’s no way handle American security.
Either way, the six-minute rule would have to become a three-minute rule, or possibly a two-minute rule. Fraudulent applications would sail through by the millions.
It’s a recipe for bureaucratic collapse.
Kris W. Kobach is a professor of law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. As counsel to the U.S. Attorney General, 2001-03, he was the attorney general’s chief adviser on immigration law.


24 posted on 05/31/2007 7:12:59 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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Mr. President, illegal immigration is not the backbone or lifeblood of this nation. Giving a pass to lawbreakers, which will encourage more of the same, is NOT the backbone or lifeblood of this country.

Those who propose that we do such things, as this immigration bill proposes, are the ones who have lost their soul and are those who are destroyoing our nation.

We welcome legal immigrants because they WANT to assimilate and become Americans. These others do not want to become a part of America and we will not tolerate our Republic being watered down and divided by those who do not want to be American because scheming politicians want to institute an "American Union" which destroys our national heritage and our soveriegnty.

That's what this is really about and there are those of us who recognize it and have recognized it all along...and those numbers are growing rapidly as you and others push these shameful, wholly unAmerican agenda and then try and tell us to our face that it is good.

I pray for you Mr. President. I honestly think you somehow believe that it is compassionate to do what you are doing. I tell you now. it is not compassionate. It is destructive and will be the downfall of everything in this nation that allows us to be so compassionate to others who want to come here through the established legal means.

27 posted on 05/31/2007 7:15:36 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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one of many Bush jump the shark moments.


28 posted on 05/31/2007 7:15:47 AM PDT by llevrok (Beer for my horses and whiskey for my men!)
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"I’m deeply concerned about America losing its soul.

I lost faith in the president's ability to analyze souls when he said of Putin "I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul."

32 posted on 05/31/2007 7:17:36 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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To: truthkeeper

Definition of a LOSER.

One who cannot distinguish friend from enemy.

There is NO ONE who wishes you more harm than Teddy Kennedy.

I am your friend, I have wished you the best. I voted for you twice.

I have always been and will always be for securing our borders, telling Vincente Fox and whoever else might be el Presidente of Mexico to keep out of our business, and for enforcing whatever the law is.

You are a bigger LOSER than your promising breaking NWO father and that is saying something.

History will not be kind to a draft dodging drunk of a fratboy who was caught driving drunk with his own sister. Your butt buddy Teddy Kennedy never drove his sisters in drunken stupors, just political groupies, but then again you never had enough masculine charm for female groupies, save for Harriet Miers.


37 posted on 05/31/2007 7:22:07 AM PDT by Biblebelter (I can't believe people still watch TV with the sound on.)
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“I am worried that a backlash to newcomers..”

Does he ever worry about the backlash of Americans that are sick and tired of invaders!?!


41 posted on 05/31/2007 7:27:02 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America.)
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Mexico is a failed state, for what else can you call a nation that, for example, encourages the departure of tens of millions of its often hard-working (albeit uneducated) citizens while harboring tens of thousands of ultra-violent drug criminals who influence national and local policy makers? Unfortunately, a nation reflects the character of its people, and millions of Mexican failed-staters have made (and are making) their way into every nook and cranny of the United States. Anyone who thinks that this is a good thing does not have the vital interests of the United States uppermost in his heart and mind.


43 posted on 05/31/2007 7:28:01 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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Suggesting the laws be followed is not misinformation, a loss of soul, or riling up people’s emotions.

All we’re saying is give LAW a chance.


45 posted on 05/31/2007 7:33:46 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (the Prophet said, If (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him. - HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260])
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To: truthkeeper
"I’m deeply concerned about America losing its soul. [ILLEGAL?] Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country’s history," the president said during an interview on Air Force One. "I am worried that a backlash to newcomers would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers."

I stopped reading.

Is he so ignorant that he thinks we don't recognize the differences between legal immigrants who assimilate and illegal immigrants who do not?

And still, he ignores the simpleton concept of enforcing the immigration laws we already have.

New laws, no matter how "comprehensive", will not be any good if government choose not to enforce them. Duh.

47 posted on 05/31/2007 7:35:11 AM PDT by Principled
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Here’s a great idea. Enforce the current laws we have and make the borders secure. Every other country in the world (except maybe Mexico but who wants to get in there) does this.


49 posted on 05/31/2007 7:37:37 AM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Fox News Channel and Freerepublic Rocks!)
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