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‘...trying to force them to leave would be impossible,”

However, if employers would be fined $500,000 for hiring illegal labor and the second infraction would carry a jail sentence of one year, I don’t think we’d have to force them to leave. They would not be hired anywhere, and of course, it goes without saying that NO social services should be granted to those here illegally. The Catholic Church would be even more broke if it tried supporting all the illegals who were unemployed.

...trying to force them to leave would be impossible,”

However, if employers would be fined $500,000 for hiring illegal labor and the second infraction would carry a jail sentence of one year, I don’t think we’d have to force them to leave. They would not be hired anywhere, and of course, it goes without saying that NO social services should be granted to those here illegally. The Catholic Church would be even more broke if it tried supporting all the illegals who were unemployed.

How about civil forfeiture of all possessions since they and any belongings aren't supposed to be here - including clothes. This will finance their deportation. Forced march them to the border on foot in their fluorescent orange jumpsuits and cloth shoes.

Nah, make an incremental fine. Starting at, say $10,000. Oh, and first offense, no-fly list for one year, and loss of passport for five years. If it's a publicly listed company, and the BOD doesn't immediately fire those responsible, pierce the corporate cloak, and fine the BOD, including no-fly list and loss of passport.

No more jetting off to Gstaad and Cannes for the weekend. Heck, no more jetting off to Aspen or Martha's Vineyard either, for a while.

That will tighten up a few sphincters.

Start tripling the fines after that. Maybe a year doing custodial service in ICE detention centers, they love illegals so much.

Or building the fences and cleaning up after the illegals' trash.

However, if employers would be fined $500,000 for hiring illegal labor and the second infraction would carry a jail sentence of one year, I don’t think we’d have to force them to leave. They would not be hired anywhere, and of course, it goes without saying that NO social services should be granted to those here illegally.

I'm sypathetic to your cause, but I don't think that is the answer either. First, if jobs were cut off here, it may stem the tide, but if there are no jobs here and no jobs in Mexico, why would they leave? Second, at least some number of the newly unemployed could be expected to go into underground businesses, likely some criminal in nature. Third, it is not politically feasible to refuse emergency medical services to a sick kid, legal or not. The media and the democrats live for that kind of story. And that is the slippery slope that ends up with something akin to free healthcare. While it is logically right, it is just not politically possible.

I think this debate is too hung up on what we will do with the people already here. As they say, perfect is the enemy of good. In this case, "good" would be shutting down the borders to new illegal immigrants. Once that is done, we can have the discussion about what to do about the folks who are here. I bet they won't go anywhere while we decide. :)

But while we continue to discuss whether or not something is "amnesty," the borders are still open and the flood continues. Until the government shows it is willing to close the borders, promises to do something... anything... to stop illegal immigration will have no credibility with me.