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County budget healthy now, but trouble looms
Contra Costa Times ^ | 5/14/7 | Ryan Huff

Posted on 05/14/2007 8:02:12 AM PDT by SmithL



TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: unfundedbenefits; yourtaxdollarsatwork

1 posted on 05/14/2007 8:02:15 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Problems from another ‘welfare state’. I guess the country has to go broke, before these idiot pols quit giving away the farm, for these municipal and corporate welfare states. They just don’t care.


2 posted on 05/14/2007 8:08:53 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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Instead of socking away money for future benefits, Contra Costa is "paying as you go" -- simply funding today's medical costs. Supervisors this year said they could not set aside extra money because that would require the unwanted step of cutting county services.

Just following in the footsteps of the Federal government's Social Security program.

Similarly, both pretend to show a much better budget situation than actually exist -- Contra Costa County's actual defecit is shown here as $2.6B; the Fed's actual SSI defecit is many hundreds of billions, at least.

3 posted on 05/14/2007 8:18:07 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: EagleUSA
I guess the country has to go broke, before these idiot pols quit giving away the farm, for these municipal and corporate welfare states. They just don’t care.

And do you have medical insurance by your employer? Is it your opinion that Government employees should not have the same benefit? Quit looking at the Government cost when you should be looking at the huge increase these HMO now charge. Like gasoline, everything cost more today.

Another problem is the Unions, of which many County employees belong to. Those that don't are governed by memorandum of understand which is nothing more than keeping those that are not governed by union contract will be at par. No County is giving away the store, just matching what you get in private industry to compete for employee hiring and retention.

There is more to this that I am sure the outsider will never understand. But I will guarantee you that the normal Government employee does not get anything more than you in private industry.

4 posted on 05/14/2007 9:02:37 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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"And do you have medical insurance by your employer? Is it your opinion that Government employees should not have the same benefit?"

I call Barbara Streisand!!! They are not talking about paying health insurance costs for active, working employees. They are talking about paying health care expenses for every retired, non-working employee. From the article:

Here's tomorrow's bad news: The county must find a way to pay off a $2.6 billion liability for medical benefits promised to current and future retirees.

5 posted on 05/14/2007 9:26:48 AM PDT by rednesss
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They are not talking about paying health insurance costs for active, working employees. They are talking about paying health care expenses for every retired, non-working employee. From the article:

Sorry, I forgot to mention that there is no separation from current employees and retired. The HMO contracts are based on volume of employees, both working and retired. The contracts entered into are based on this volume. Does not the private industry have similar agreements, and if not SS and Unions take up much of the slack. I would like to see the breakdown between this cost as to working vs. retired. Then I would like to see what the cost would be if the retiree was eliminated.

6 posted on 05/14/2007 9:51:51 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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Well the typical employee + spouse health insurance payment up here in Oregon is around $900 per employee through PEBB (Public Employees’ Benefit Board) plus another $100 for dental. So basically $1,000 a month per retired employee X baby-boomer generation=insolvency.


7 posted on 05/14/2007 10:10:02 AM PDT by rednesss
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And do you have medical insurance by your employer? Is it your opinion that Government employees should not have the same benefit?
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My employer pays HALF of my insurance premium, and when I leave that company MY BENEFITS STOP. Not so with the big corporate and country welfare state — their benefits continue after they no longer are working. This was one of THE MANY corporate errors that biggies like GM and Ford made — by setting up lifetime welfare. And at last count, as GM was going broke and into bankruptcy, in the retail price tag of every car was $1600 WHICH HAD TO GO TO PAY FOR BENEFITS FOR PEOPLE THAT DID NOT EVEN WORK FOR THE COMPANY ANY MORE.

Don’t even begin to compare “normal companies” and “normal benefits” with the huge mistakes the pathetic management made to their employees AND THE UNIONS. I have friends that worked for a while for the state of California, and now the taxpayers have to pay their medical and other benefits that mortal workers like myself, will NEVER see — the only thing I will get is MY OWN MONEY BACK in the form of Social Security if that does not get hosed by our corrupt and incompetent government.


8 posted on 05/14/2007 10:20:25 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: rednesss
Well the typical employee + spouse health insurance payment up here in Oregon is around $900 per employee through PEBB (Public Employees’ Benefit Board) plus another $100 for dental. So basically $1,000 a month per retired employee X baby-boomer generation=insolvency.

Just more to this than it is worth discussing. Such as County general funds are vested. Medicare contributed for certain conditions. If the employee was in service during the years that he was forced to contribute to SS, then the picture more closely mirrors private employees. Some retirees that have less than 25 years service pay a copay fee to the County. It goes on and on, and no intelligent answer can be had unless full disclosure of the entire retirement plans are totally explained. It is complicate, but to project this 2.6 billion future crap is just that.

9 posted on 05/14/2007 10:43:31 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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