Giuliani : Pro-Choice or Pro-Reality?
Social Right : Pro-Life or Pro-Fantasy?
Please seriously consider the points I’ve outlined. I’m a Milton Friedman war hawk baffled by the social right’s disconnect with reality on the abortion issue and their willingness to waste so much time on it.
I’d like the social right who waste so much energy on this issue to answer their own “hard questions” about the logistics and practicality of an abortion ban :
1) Both Roberts and Alito at their confirmation hearings said Roe was “settled law”. What did they mean? If there were sincere, what does that say for ANY hopes of overturning Roe? (Answer, no hope. Not going to happen. If even the MOST conservative jurists recognize they’re not going to be confirmed unless they state Roe is settled law, forget it!)
2) But say Roe was overturned anyway, what states would then ban abortion?
South Dakota in 2006 had a referendum passed by their legislature go down in flames 56%-44%. If a ban can’t win in conservative South Dakota, whose legislature supported it, where CAN a ban win? Utah?
How far is it from Salt Lake City to Las Vegas?
3) If a state passed a ban, what is the Social Right’s proposed punishment? The death penalty? A state conservative enough to pass a ban, more conservative than South Dakota, probably has the death penalty. Prison? For the woman, the doctor or both? 5 years, 10 years? 20? What type of felony is being committed?
4) How would it look for women or doctors in orange jump suits and leg irons to be marched into prison in Utah when it’s legal in other states? This is such a polarized issue, even in conservative states that passed a ban on abortions, this would create an unbearable firestorm. These women/doctors would be national martyrs, despite being so STUPID as not to get their abortion in the neighboring state where it is legal.
5) What other developed Western democracies, other than Ireland, Poland and Spain ban abortion? It’s even legal in Italy. Interestingly, it’s illegal in Germany, but there is zero enforcement.
This is such a waste of time and energy. Even without Roe, ANYONE in the U.S. will still be able to get an abortion as easily as they do with it.
And TRY enforcing a ban. That would be another Elian Gonzales or Terry Schivao type fiasco waiting to happen. Probably worse, if that’s possible.
The question is not pro-life or pro-choice. It’s pro-reality.
Someday, the Social Right is going to have to get it through their thick skulls it’s NOT going to happen.
Roe will not be overturned, according to no less that Roberts and Alito. Even if it was, NAME the states that will ban it if is. THEN, tell me the prison time you want for it.
Otherwise... shut up.
Don’t waste the GOP and the American electorate’s time with this colossal waste of hot air. That’s all the social right has on this too. Hot air. NAME the states. NAME the prison times. Be honest with the GOP and the American people. Don’t hide sanctimoniously behind an ultrasound, which are irrelavent unless you ARE WILLING to send women and doctors to PRISON. And TELL US the details
Don’t forget Alito and Roberts did not sign off on the Thomas written opnion that bashed Roe vs. Wade..
The Republican Platform makes it clear where we stand on abortion, the details as you call it, your gross mischaracterizations notwithstanding. The reality is that when an unborn child is aborted, a human life has been taken. That human has an inalienable right to life just as much as fake conservatives like you do.
So, YOU shut up, you damned abortionist POS!
BZZZZZZZTTTTT! Another abortionist gets zapped! I don’t think another bit of bandwidth or server storage should be wasted again on this forum by any more of you traitors to the human race.
You're crazy. A waste of time and energy it is not. Most conservatives are pro-life. We respect the life of the unborn and we think the killing has to stop. If you believe so strongly that abortion is okay, WTF are you doing around FR spewing your ugly BS. This is a pro-life forum.
Nevermind, of course, there are states in the past year that have passed legislation -- either to challenge Roe or in the event Roe is overturned -- that would ban abortion for convenience. Or that multiple polls show that majority in this country favoring a ban on abortion except in the cases of rape, incest and the mother's life being endangered. At the very least, most states would pass greater restrictions on abortion if Roe was overturned.
Such laws if passed would significantly reduce the number of abortions. Eliminate easy access to abortion and the number of abortions would drop.
Most importantly, overturning Roe would return the power to the power and take it out of the hands of dictatorial judges, restoring the power to decide such issues to the people and their elected representatives.
You're the one not dealing in reality and willingly to let judges alter the Constitution and undermine our democrat form of government.
The business about women being prosecuted is a strawman.
Coat hangers? That's their choice - a stupid one, to be sure. But one thing is certain: along with the ban we need to change the culture, the way sex is portrayed. Eliminating the ability to rid oneself of the consequences of one's action by eliminating an innocent life gives a good start.
Your "reality" is a fantasy world devoid of any but the young, the perfect, and the selfish. No down syndrome folks, no muscular dystrophy folks, no spina biffida folks, only a perfectly bred archetype. A eugenicist's dreamworld. Who among us would be deemed unfit, as we cannot protect even the weakest and most vulnerable?
Otherwise... shut up.
Don’t waste the GOP and the American electorate’s time with this colossal waste of hot air. That’s all the social right has on this too. Hot air. NAME the states. NAME the prison times. Be honest with the GOP and the American people. Don’t hide sanctimoniously behind an ultrasound, which are irrelavent unless you ARE WILLING to send women and doctors to PRISON. And TELL US the details
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Abortion is murder. Yes, it's really that simple.
Good. You obnoxious ass.