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Civilization Watch - Don't You Dare Ask for Proof - Orson Scott Card
The Ornery American ^ | April 29, 2007 | Orson Scott Card

Posted on 05/09/2007 3:29:10 AM PDT by Mr170IQ

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Good stuff as usual from OSC
1 posted on 05/09/2007 3:29:13 AM PDT by Mr170IQ
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To: Nailbiter

later read


2 posted on 05/09/2007 3:36:07 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Mr170IQ


3 posted on 05/09/2007 3:37:35 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Mr170IQ

bump for later


4 posted on 05/09/2007 3:41:46 AM PDT by James W. Fannin (unappeasable)
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To: Mr170IQ
I notice he doesn't mention the consensus, even among true believers in anthropogenic climate change, that none of the proposals for preventing global warming are likely to accomplish anything in any reasonable amount of time.

Flooding the Qatarra Depression would contain about 88% of the excess ice melt from Greenland and be far less expensive than the wealth transfer schemes being proposed by the Globalists.

Yet none are advocating it. Why?

Because it doesn't give them political control of the levers of power.

5 posted on 05/09/2007 3:42:34 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Tolik

Ping.


6 posted on 05/09/2007 3:48:33 AM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: Mr170IQ

I thoroughly enjoyed the GW part of the article, however IMHO OSC blows up when I read this:

Meanwhile, there really are human-caused problems that must be dealt with, and very soon, too. Global warming isn’t one of them, but our oil supply definitely is. I’ll be back to that topic next week.

I’m willing to wait a week to see the “proof”, and I’m hoping he goes much deeper than I’m thinking at the moment.


7 posted on 05/09/2007 4:00:54 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Vigilanteman

you realize that water vapor is by far the most responsible for the greenhouse effect right?


8 posted on 05/09/2007 4:02:03 AM PDT by wafflehouse (When in danger, When in doubt, Run in circles, Scream and Shout!)
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To: Mr170IQ

Bump.


9 posted on 05/09/2007 4:09:07 AM PDT by Rocko
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To: Mr170IQ; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...


FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown
Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH


Indeed it is.
10 posted on 05/09/2007 4:22:20 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Mr170IQ

“Ecology,” “Environmentalism,” Global Warming,” is where the Communists went when it became unfashionable to be “Communists.” It is all the same people, the same religion.


11 posted on 05/09/2007 4:25:57 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Mr170IQ

Here is what these people are really saying: we don’t have the guts to deal with the real evils of the world, so lets have make believe enemies that we can stick are head in the sand with. I got news for your Bucko, the Jihadist don’t care how much CO2 escapes from your head, when they cut it off. Wake up, and get your head out of the global warming clouds!


12 posted on 05/09/2007 4:27:20 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: Mr170IQ
Brod is crying wolf.

The MSM has been crying wolf for decades.

Don't trust main stream media. Their scare tactics have flip-flopped four times over the last eighty-some years.

 

 

The following graphs show that Earth is in a brief period of global warming called an interglacial. The longer time spans, the deep troughs are glacial periods. The line that runs across the graphs is the temperature in 1950 and listed as "0" on the left axis.

As can be seen in Figure 1-5, Earth appears ready to move toward another ice age in the cycle.

I'm more concerned with sustaining global warming to offset global cooling and the next ice age. 

Ice Ages & Astronomical Causes
Brief Introduction to the History of Climate
by Richard A. Muller

Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle

This first graph looks bad, doesn't it -- steeper upward temperature trend. Horizontal red line is temperature at 1950.

Figure 1-1 Global warming

The second graph shows today's temperature isn't out of the norm. Horizontal blue line is temperature at 1950.

Figure 1-2 Climate of the last 2400 years

The next graph shows a downtrend in temperatures from 8,000 years ago to today. The down trend is steeper in the recent 2,000 years. From left to right the upper spikes have lower highs while the lower spikes have lower lows. (The same effect can be seen in Figure 1-2, above.) 

Figure 1-3 Climate of the last 12,000 years

This graph shows that agriculture and  stationary societies emerged 8,000 years ago during a time frame when global temperature was much higher than normal, or average.

Figure 1-4 Climate of the last 100,000 years

The next graph shows that the recent 8,000 years was one of five brief hot spikes when glaciers were at minimums. With much longer troughs when glacials (ice ages) were the norm most of the time.

Figure 1-5 Climate for the last 420 kyr, from Vostok ice

The graph below is reversed. That is, the left side is present day and the right side is 3 million years ago. It shows a 3 million year down trend toward widening extremes in the temperature cycle.

Figure 1-6 Climate for the last 3 million years

The final graph shows CO2 lagging temperature change -- not leading it.

Figure 1-7 CO2 and temperature for the last 450 kyr

When man can cause meaningful global warming yesterday would be a good time to begin thwarting the next ice age.

Great documentary: The Great Global Warming Swindle at Google.
  The Great Global Warming Swindle at You Tube.

If the above links don't work use the respective search function at each Website. Type: The Great Global Warming Swindle.

13 posted on 05/09/2007 4:41:57 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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I have never heard from the MSM about the little ice age that was going on until about 1850. Seems to me that: 1)accurate temperature measurements probably date to the past 100-150 years and 2)as we move farther away from an ice age (albeit a small one) of course our temperatures are going to go up.

There was also a Medieval Warm period dating from around 800AD-1300AD where it was actually warm enough in England for them to plant grapes and for the Vikings to navigate to Greenland in ice free seas.

The climate cycles, and anyone who thinks we can impact that is a fricking idiot.


14 posted on 05/09/2007 4:48:21 AM PDT by LexRex in TN
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To: Mr170IQ; Lando Lincoln; danneskjold; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; A Longer Name; A message; Aggie Mama; ..
Orson Scott Card

Orson Scott Card - PING  [please freepmail me if you want or don't want to be pinged to Orson Scott Card political articles]

Links: his articles discussed at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-orsonscottcard/browse  and archived here (it is a must go place for all new to OSC political writing): http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/index.html

His fresh articles appear in the Rhinoceros Times, Greensboro, NC: http://www.rhinotimes.com/greensboro/  (before being posted permanently on his The Ornery American website). Read his books/movies/and everything reviews: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/ 

His "About" page: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/about.shtml


15 posted on 05/09/2007 5:17:15 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Mr170IQ

Latest Weather Channel Headline:
ANDREW BROD NOW BRAIN-DEAD FROM GORE’S GLOBAL FLATULENCE!
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16 posted on 05/09/2007 5:17:28 AM PDT by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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If human activity is warming the earth, what or who is warming Mars, Venus and the moon? We have reliable base ine information for all three dating back to the '50's and all three are warming. It can't be that our SUV's are warming the entire inner solar system.

Hummers maybe but...

17 posted on 05/09/2007 5:24:25 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Zon
Old YouTube link no longer works due to copyright:

New YouTube link (plays all 9 parts in succession) until it gets removed again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXc9H5JSyow&feature=PlayList&p=30DB26909F0D7C29&index=0&playnext=1

The DVD will become available soon. You can purchase it here:

http://www.wagtv.com/acatalog/store.asp

18 posted on 05/09/2007 5:25:42 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: RedRover

Thank you for the ping!


19 posted on 05/09/2007 5:26:36 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Mr170IQ

I’ll vote for any Republican Presidential candidate who will PROMISE Card a Cabinet seat, and convince him to take it. Yes, even Rudy.


20 posted on 05/09/2007 5:27:21 AM PDT by nina0113
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