Posted on 05/07/2007 11:36:09 AM PDT by bedolido
CBNNews.com - Virginia Beach, Va - Before the celebrating came the turning of tassels and accepting this charge:
"I want you to strive for greatness through service," said CBN founder Pat Robertson.
The largest class in Regent's history sang a hymn bowed their heads in prayer.
"Father," prayed Pastor Jack Hayford. "We come with hearts of gratitude for each of these graduates."
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Some say they were initially skeptical about having a Mormon address a Christian audience.
"There were some people who were alarmed," said Regent graduate Cassy McLauchlin. "I was surprised because I just didn't think he was the speaker we would have here, but they let us know he wasn't coming to speak on any theological issues but he was coming to address us at graduation."
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last time i checked, mormons were christians.
What did they think he would have done? Light black candles and sacrifice a goat while deriding Jesus?
Mormons are Christians. It's called the Church of Jesus Christ of Letter Day Saints.
(I'm not Mormon, but grew up with them and find them to be very patriotic Americans)
But Mormons are NOT christians. Anyone who believes that Jesus is a spirit brother of Satan (yes, they do believe this) and that Mormons will all be gods like Christ is (yes they believe this too) is not a christian.
That is opinion. Opinions vary.
Jesus says he is THE way. Fact. Mormoms can never be gods no matter how hard they try.
Unlike the skepticism of having an atheist address a Christian audience which never gets press.
Mormons are Christians. It's called the Church of Jesus Christ of Letter Latter Day Saints.
(I'm not Mormon, but grew up with them and find them to be very patriotic Americans)
From the Mormon web site...
http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,1089-1,00.html
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge.
Under the direction of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the earth (John 1:10, Hebrews 1:2).
When Jesus lived on the earth (approximately 2,000 years ago), He led a perfect life. He taught by word and example how people should live in love of God and others.
Through His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and by giving His life on the cross—that is, by performing the Atonement—Jesus Christ saved all of us from our sins as we follow Him. Because of the Atonement, we can be forgiven of our sins when we sincerely repent.
Through His Resurrection, Jesus Christ saved us from death. Because He overcame death, we will all be given the gift of resurrection (Acts 24:15, 1 Corinthians 15:22).
When life on this earth is over, Jesus Christ will be our Judge (Acts 10:42, Acts 17:31).
I am Mormon. Not wanting to argue but just to clarify some misunderstandings. Yes, we believe that Satan was also a spitit child of God who rebelled against God and became the Father of Lies witht the goal of dragging everyone else down with him. As to being gods...we believe that God is our Literal Father and as such wants those who prove to be righteous (Moromn or not) to learn all that He knows and to share in all that He share. Again, I am not trying to start an argument but wanting to clear that all up. If you disagree then that is fine.
Now answer the question. Is Jesus the spirit brother of Satan?
I don’t even know what a spirit brother is (or care). I suggest you ask the mormon who posted.
So sharing in what God has means that you will be a god?
Well, you should care. That Christ is the brother of Satan is one of your doctrines.
you checked wrong, they are great people and we share many values but their beliefs *(Jesus and Satan are brothers, Man will be God over their own little worlds, and that Jesus was not there in the begining with God)* exclude them from being a Christian denomination.
I cant vote for Romney because I don’t trust him as pro-life yet its a little convenient he came to it when he did. It has nothing to do with him being a Mormon.
It means that the sae way in which your child can grow up to be like you, each of us has that spark of the divine that allows us to be like Him. Again, not trying to argue just explain. If you disagree then so be it.
We are all children of God. Including Jesus and Satan. Satan rebelled and was cast out. So your post, while technically true, was misleading.
It is? Since when? How do you know that too? Amazing.
I, too, am wary of any "conservative" that got elected to anything in MA in the last 20 years. The chance of anyone getting elected President that shares my theology is so remote that it is pretty low on the list of criteria for my support.
You're being a bit wishy-washy in your words. But in effect you are saying that you think you will be a god...correct?
I beg to differ with you there.
Satan is an angelic being turned demonic. Angels are created beings and not children of anything. Christ, of course was and is NOT an angel.
Also, Christians believe that not all humans are children of God and that only those who have accepted Christ as their Savior can lay claim to the title “child of God”.
It's fairly common knowledge for anyone who knows the slightest thing about Mormonism.
I'm surprised you don't know that Mormons teach that Jesus and Satan were brothers if you are a Mormon.
Wrong. Satan is not a child of God.
Jesus is God’s “ONLY begotten Son”. John 3:16
Satan is a fallen angel.
We aren’t “traditional Christians”, i.e. we don’t believe in the Trinity Creed.
Do I believe that I will be a god? Hell, I am still trying to work on controlling my temper and a whole list of things. I am not trying to be wishy-washy but it is a complicated subject and you want a simple answer. Yes, then, I do believe that righteous pople dwelling with God will become god-like and He teaches them and shares with them.
You, my jump-to-conclusions friend, are the only one who said or implied I was a Mormon. On the other hand, I have known many Mormons, having grown up in upstate New York near the home of Joseph Smith. When I read your post, I simply went to the Mormon web site and clicked on a link where they reiterated that Christ was the son of God. That may not be Christian enough for you but it’s good enough for me.
Satan is an arch angel CREATED by God. Jesus is the Word made flesh.
When he was born he was called the Son of God.
However, Jesus said in John 17,5:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 17, 21:
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
You are not straightforward. Mormons teach that they will be gods if they are righteous enough. I believe you know this, don't you?
This is not christian doctrine.
Which means you don’t believe Jesus is God?
From an Islamic website....
Mary — A Righteous Servant of God
The Holy Quran affirms the virgin birth of Jesus, repudiates the notion that Mary was not pious and that her birth was illegitimate. The Quran narrates Mary’s statement to an angel: “How can I have a child when no man has touched me and neither have I been unchaste?” (19:21)
Moreover, it is on account of her piety Chapter 19 in the Quran is named after her, and all pious Muslims are likened to her.
A Very Rare Phenomenon
The virgin birth of Jesus was a miracle, no doubt. But according to the Ahmadiyya Muslim view, miracles always work in accordance with God’s laws, no matter how limited our understanding of those laws are. Modern science has only just begun to study this rare phenomenon.
The Miracles of Jesus in the Holy Quran
The Holy Quran narrates several miracles of Jesus, including his ability to create birds, to cure ailments including blindness and raise the dead to life (Quran 3:50).
Ahmadi Muslims interpret these particular signs metaphorically. The people who accepted Jesus soared high like birds into the spiritual firmament above worldly, base concerns. Similarly in the metaphoric sense, he restored sight to the spiritually blind and life to the spiritually dead.
Jesus himself called the enemies of his day “blind” because of their hypocritical nature in matters of faith (Matthew 23:26). The very nature of his words about healing convey a spiritual change, not physical. It should also be remembered that Jesus spoke in parables, such as the famous line, “let the dead bury their dead” (Matthew 8:22).
The Holy Quran also describes disbelievers as deaf, dumb and blind (Quran 2:19) and the Holy Prophet (SAW) offered them ‘life’ and revival from such death (Quran 8:25).
Convinced of His Innocence
It is notable in the New Testament testimony that Pontius Pilate believed Jesus to be innocent and did not want him executed. One of the influences was a dream Pilate’s wife convincing her of Jesus’ innocence, and the message she passed on to Pilate was “leave that innocent man alone” (Matthew 27:19).
Pilate eventually acquiesced to the demand of the Jews that Jesus be crucified, as a riot was developing. However he then asked for a bowl of water and washed his hands before the crowd and exclaimed “I am innocent of the blood of this man. The responsibility is yours!” (Matthew 27:24)
http://www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/
Yes, and Satan was God's son too according to them.
And they also teach they will be gods one day.
"Christian enough"? Not really.
I didn’t come on here to argue and won’t. But you do have to question what the word begotten means. We believe that we were all made spiritually before physically. Jesus is unique.
I agree with you whole-heartedly
Nobody has any sense of humor on this site any more.
OK, does this Quran quote say Christ is the son of God? I get bored easily when it comes to discussions of religion.
Mormons believe they will become gods if they are righteous enough and they will rule over a world like Christ rules over Earth.
This is not christian teaching. Men can NEVER achieve god-hood.
Mormons are severely deficient in their thinking in believing that they can become gods.
It’s probably pretty safe to say that Islam does NOT embrace the Christian understanding of the Triune God and you probably WON’T hear the Nicene Creed being recited in their houses of worship.
One of Mitt Romney's goals for the speech was to connect with this audience. To do that, he highlighted common values - values such as family, character, sacrifice, and service.David Brody, another CBN commentator, wrote about the speech:"If there ever was a time for great Americans - great and good Americans, Americans who are willing to cross into the deep waters of life - it is now," said Romney. "You cross into the deep waters by marrying and raising good children; you cross into deep waters by serving in your church, in your community, in the military, in government or in volunteer service."
It was a message that went over well.
"I thought it was very important, you know just making a difference in the world - as he said - not swimming in the shallow water. Kind of trying to change the world in a positive way especially here at Regent where we're trying to grow Christian leaders," said Regent student Chris Frederick.
Regent parent Cal Beresh said, "He's got a strong message for values and a commitment in his own faith and certainly someone who can be a model to the young, a model to many who can look up to him."
"Romney's speech was spot on. Really, as I read through the text, it may be one of his better speeches. I call it his "deeper waters" speech. Listen to some of this eloquence." [speech excerpts] "That's good stuff. Romney has consistently talked about hope and optimism. He did it during the GOP debate and he did it again Saturday at Regent. It may be a speech that is remembered for a long time."View video of the speech at the links below. You won't be disappointed.
Gov. Romney's Commencement Address at Regent University, May 5, 2007 [High Bandwidth] [Low Bandwidth]
Introduction by Pat Robertson and Gov. Romney's address begin at 27:30 into the video. Use the video player slider bar to fast forward.
I’ve met plenty of people who “use Christian terms”. When I talk to them or exchange posts with them, I wouldn’t call them Christian either. But as far as I can tell, it ain’t my call nor would I dare to be so arrogant as to insist I knew for sure.
It is amazing and rather telling that each time I share my heart-felt beliefs I am assualted by others. I, as a follwer of Jesus Christ, allow others to believe as they may and willnot criticize others who have a different interpretation of Jesus Christ. I am not in the least concerned if others believe me to be Christian or not. I believe in a God that can discern the heart and knows of my love for Him. As for the atonement, it is false to say that we do not believe it is through the grace of God we are saved...after doing all we can do including repentance.
Honestly, the point I was making is that if you consider Mormons to be "Christian" based on the fact they're followers of Jesus, you'd have to accept Muslims as "Christian" too.
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