Posted on 05/06/2007 8:21:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
In that spirit, I would like to ask a simple, if somewhat pointed question: If the Rights of Man come from our Creator and are truly "inalienable", how may they in any instance be made subservient to any International Treaty, no matter how arrived at and as affirmed by whatever number of our elected Representatives?
I anxiously await your response.
- Andy
Right cannot be subservient, they can only be violated. The rights of men can be violated, but only if they become subservient.
I’ve never seen your particular phrasing before; Williams’ quote is the final sentence of this one:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams052799.asp
The word I ought to have used is "subordinated", in place of "subservient", which as you properly note is a characteristic more of beings than things. By "subordinated" then, I mean that our fundamental rights may be reduced in value and made secondary to a greater purpose or need. Can you think of any such purpose or need that would justify such a... violation?
What I think you are asking is if a collective claim can be legitimately assessed against the individual, which cuts back to the consent of the governed.
Human means of violating individual rights necessarily derive of two types, democratic and oligarchic. The genius of the Constitution lay in setting aside certain individual rights beyond which the government could not exercise power in either interest. The problem with that idea is that individual claims by right necessarily conflict, requiring a judgment or ruling to determine how they are to be partitioned. It is at that point that the precedents for collective or oligarchic interests can be laid no matter how idealistic the process of adjudication.
So it is in that realm that rights end up violated, no matter what, simply because it is so easy to extend the scope of what can be claimed under a right by means of language at which point the issue among those doing so must be settled by third party. At that point, one has to question your question.
2nd Amendment bump for later..........
You ought ta write books Okie !.....:o)
Well written Sir !
Wow, this thread has lived a long time. That post of mine you responded to is two and a half years old.
Ever heard of “robocup”? It’s a world wide competition involving robots playing soccer. These are not remote controlled robots. These are fully autonomous robots searching out the soccer ball, aiming, kicking, passing, blocking, and scoring goals. They THINK FOR THEMSELVES!
check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJaOcv81QuQ
They are slow and clumsy, but they are actually functional. They fall down a lot but they usually get themselves back up and back in the game.
This "Skinning Cats" thread is over a year old. Yesterday morning, I sent you a ping to Patrick Henry "Ratified". Did you see that?
You ought ta write books Okie !.....:o)
The web site is done. The production file is now available to reviewers. I'm waiting on the bank and I'll be able to set up the shopping cart.
Heck, I thought everyone had seen that one! ;-)
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