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Conservatives for Hillary?
Real Clear Politics ^ | 05/01/07 | Bruce Bartlett

Posted on 05/01/2007 5:18:55 AM PDT by peyton randolph

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To: Suzy Quzy
Last Friday I had to commute with a very liberal coworker to Seattle to attend a business meeting. His van has a “Hillary in 08” bumper sticker on the back window.
I felt kinda ill the whole trip and could not wait to get out of that car.
I am going to insist next meeting we have to travel together it will be in my car with it’s Fred Thompson 08 sticker, and I may just slap a W-04 sticker on it for extra effect. I still have a few of those.
41 posted on 05/01/2007 6:26:26 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: peyton randolph
ANY conservative that votes for Hillary Klinton IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!!! I don’t give a rat’s @$$ their excuse or attempted explanation of the reasons why they voted for her. IF a conservative votes for a Marxist’s, socialist’s, Leninist’s, Soviet Communist as Klinton, they ARE NOT a conservative.
42 posted on 05/01/2007 6:28:22 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (America has lost its mind and is on its last days as a free country & Republic.)
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To: Republic Rocker
What do you mean? So far EVERYONE LOVES Fred Thompson.

Republicans are choosing to batter there best candidate.

43 posted on 05/01/2007 6:28:33 AM PDT by DManA
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To: peyton randolph

Ok Bruce, you’re crazy.


44 posted on 05/01/2007 6:29:27 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: kristinn

Oops!


45 posted on 05/01/2007 6:33:56 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: peyton randolph

“Call me crazy, but I think that person is Hillary Clinton.”

OK, you’re insane. How’s that, Bruce?


46 posted on 05/01/2007 6:36:44 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: ncjetsfan

i’m registering dem this year so i can vote for obama in the primary


47 posted on 05/01/2007 6:49:29 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (Hey, this aint like the 1960s, this is like the 1860s.)
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To: peyton randolph

You said it Bruce: “Call me crazy.”


48 posted on 05/01/2007 6:54:39 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: sauropod; gate2wire; staytrue; kristinn
Ok Bruce, you’re crazy.

And Clintoon winning the Presidency, being re-elected, and averting conviction was just our imagination. The Dems taking over the House and Senate - never happened.

Face it, most of the electorate are ignorant and they'll remain so right up to the election.

You might not like hearing this but, Bruce Bartlett ain't no fool. He could have easily based his prognosticastions just on wait goes on here at FR.

49 posted on 05/01/2007 6:56:21 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: NavyCanDo

LOL!! I live in the Gay city, Seattle.


50 posted on 05/01/2007 7:02:36 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: BufordP

Oh, I have no doubt that the American people can be foolish enough to elect her.
But, being the choice for conservatives, I don’t buy it.


51 posted on 05/01/2007 7:09:29 AM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: peyton randolph
...any involvement in the Democratic Party is unthinkable. Many view it as the party of treason and socialism.

You left one out, Bruce - the Democratic Party is the party of murder, treason and socialism. I refuse to be ruled by the likes of them. They are America's domestic enemies.

52 posted on 05/01/2007 7:20:50 AM PDT by Noumenon (The Koran is the Mein Kampf of a religion that has always aimed to eliminate the others - O. Fallaci)
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To: peyton randolph
Is this "political sophisticate" aware that the last time someone this divisive was elected to the Office of President, Fort Sumpter was bombarded?

If The Witch steals the election, the Constitution is dead, anyhow, so why not feed the roots of the Tree of Liberty?

53 posted on 05/01/2007 7:25:49 AM PDT by jonascord ("Don't shoot 'em! Let 'em burn!...")
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To: gate2wire
But, being the choice for conservatives, I don’t buy it.

Of course not. But enough conservatives stayed home Nov 2006 for obvious reasons. And what did we get?

I'll vote my conscience in the primary. But if Guiliani (or other unacceptable RINO du jour) wins the day, prepare yourself. A lot of Freepers have already expressed their willingness to abort.

Sidebar Poll: If the general election were held today....

54 posted on 05/01/2007 7:32:31 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: peyton randolph
But for those conservatives who don’t see the 2008 election as a race between good and evil, but merely a contest between rivals within the same league,

Unfortunately that is far too true. We have the socialist party and the slightly less socialist party.

That is why the easy thing for Sen. Clinton to do would be to just thrown in the towel, admit her vote was wrong, and move on. And that’s why it is an act of courage for her to refuse to do so. If conservatives weren’t so blinded by their hatred for her, this would be obvious.

No, it was an act of political calculation for her. She expected to walk into the nomination of a path of rose petals so she needed a "moderate" general election stand. Now that she is in a real fight, any change would probably hurt her more than help her because she would be exposed as a first degree panderer.

Its [XXX-42's economic policy's] essential elements are a commitment to deficit reduction and globalization

The author has no memory of the 1990s. The reason why deficits went down was because XXX-42 had a very difficult time getting any major spending programs through the Republican Congress after the 1994 election. Clinton's policies didn't lead to the boom of the 1990s. Instead it was Washington inaction let the economy grow at its natural pace. I don't see a Democratic Congress reining in Mrs. Bill Clinton's rampant statism.

No, I will not be voting for Hillary in the general election in 2008. I am even considering registering as a Democrat for the primary next year just so I can vote against here in that election too.

55 posted on 05/01/2007 7:37:14 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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To: peyton randolph

Bartlett’s argument is very flawed for several reasons. First, by his logic, conservatives should never have supported Barry Goldwater in 1964 because he had no chance of winning. They should have lined up behind liberal Democrat LBJ because of LBJ’s “centrist” approach to foreign policy. But that would have been total surrender to the liberal order. By supporting Goldwater despite his loss, conservatives successfully motivated their movement to produce major victories in the future.

Second, Bartlett seems to forget that a Hillary presidency will bring many activist left-wing judges to the courts who will hurt the country for years into the future.

Finally, let’s assume just for the sake of argument that Bartlett is right that Hillary is the most “centrist” Democrat in the running. What he forgets is another crucial factor: Hillary has a very bad temperament for the presidency. She is a persistently pandering, intensely calculating, and notoriously vengeful personality. These are clear reasons to keep her out of the Oval Office.


56 posted on 05/01/2007 7:42:39 AM PDT by blitzgig
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To: peyton randolph

Bartlett’s argument is very flawed for several reasons. First, by his logic, conservatives should never have supported Barry Goldwater in 1964 because he had no chance of winning. They should have lined up behind liberal Democrat LBJ because of LBJ’s “centrist” approach to foreign policy. But that would have been total surrender to the liberal order. By supporting Goldwater despite his loss, conservatives successfully motivated their movement to produce major victories in the future.

Second, Bartlett seems to forget that a Hillary presidency will bring many activist left-wing judges to the courts who will hurt the country for years into the future.

Finally, let’s assume just for the sake of argument that Bartlett is right that Hillary is the most “centrist” Democrat in the running. What he forgets is another crucial factor: Hillary has a very bad temperament for the presidency. She is a persistently pandering, intensely calculating, and notoriously vengeful personality. These are clear reasons to keep her out of the Oval Office.


57 posted on 05/01/2007 7:42:43 AM PDT by blitzgig
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To: Republic Rocker
because the Republicans are choosing to batter there [sic] best candidate.

He wasn't writing about "Republicans". He was writing about "conservatives." As we've seen, especially from the "best candidate," there is a sometimes a huge difference.

58 posted on 05/01/2007 7:42:43 AM PDT by jammer
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To: BufordP

“Of course not.”

I’m just commenting on Barlett’s comment, not that conservatives might actually vote for her.


59 posted on 05/01/2007 7:42:58 AM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: jonascord

Amen.

Her Heinous’ negatives are at 52%. The only way she can be elected is if the Clintonistas get Ross Perot out of mothballs for one last gasp or the ideologically pure throw a hissy fit and stay home.

Either way, America descends into the socialist dark ages until our great grandchildren are old enough to right the ship—if they haven’t all left the country looking for better opportunity.

Any one of the Republicans is miles ahead of any of the Defeatocrats.


60 posted on 05/01/2007 7:49:47 AM PDT by joeystoy
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