Posted on 04/28/2007 12:18:51 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
Thanks for a fascinating story. You wrote it beautifully, setting the stage for these events.
The entire story is rather pathetic. Obviously there was an informant. The FBI and ATF got involved for the press, I suppose.
Overall, I just can't help wondering about the Feds involved, after the job is done. Do they high-five each other over a cache of firecrackers, some pot plants, and three local hayseeds?
I know I'm going to sleep better tonight. Not.
>This is a gun control issue? In what way/<
The Feds will most certainly use it as one, mark my words.
The article doesn’t say who they threatened or harmed.
If your neighbors were muzzle loading enthusiasts and had a few pounds of black powder would you turn them in?
No, but you can’t really compare a musket to a grenade launcher.
There’s so much bravado out of the ATF in this story you wonder if this wasn’t just a PR raid.
Sounds like they are longing for the Clinton days and are positioning themselves if they return. This while we have far more dangerous Muslims running loose in the country.
Overall, I just can't help wondering about the Feds involved, after the job is done. Do they high-five each other over a cache of firecrackers, some pot plants, and three local hayseeds?
Man! You nailed it. You oughta like, write for a living or something! Great summation.
One pound of black powder would level the average tract home. BP is typically sold in one pound steel cans.
Still doesn’t account for the grenades, or the grenade launcher, or the homemade grenades using fireworks.
You said you’d turn in your neighbors for having explosives. Are you amending that statement now?
Unless you intend to use black powder as an explosive, I would not consider it as such. However, if you are making home-made grenades, I would consider it to be an explosive. It’s about context. I do not consider a steak knife to be a weapon under normal circumstances, however if you use it to attempt to stab somebody, I would consider it a weapon. Context.
Alrighty.
That was their big mistake. Animal Liberation Front and Environmental Liberation Front solve this problem by not recruiting to existing cells. Anyone who wants to form an independent cell is free to do so, but no one joins an already-existing cell. Coordination of ALF and ELF activities comes through web sites and other electronic means.
That was their big mistake. Animal Liberation Front and Earth Liberation Front solve this problem by not recruiting to existing cells. Anyone who wants to form an independent cell is free to do so, but no one joins an already-existing cell. Coordination of ALF and ELF activities comes through web sites and other electronic means.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
No kidding. Located at the intereserction of Scoot and Shoot.
Yeah, for what? A ten minute sustained battle? I bought 1200 30.06 rds since the Virginia Tech "incident", not considering a single rd I had prior, I'm halfway to having my own militia, by these pathetic standards. Blackbird.
Oh, I beg to differ. Dead is dead is dead. A grenade launcher (M203??? more likely a defective WWII show piece, enough for the batfags to get a woody though) is good for what, 100 meters or so down range? An effective kill radius of what 5-6 meters? You'd be surprised at what some can do with a "musket". Hold 10 grains of Black Powder in your closed hand and light it off. Guarantee you, you will only do it once, with (what's left of) that hand. I won't even describe how far down range I can quarter group with my scoped Garand, you'll turn me in. Suffice it to say, it by far exceeds 100 meters. Would you run screaming from the room if I demonstrated my Compound Bow? Blackbird.
Not Mary Jane of course, but silencers, sure, the military uses one on their latest sniper rifle, the M-110 (basically an AR-10/SR-25 rifle with some modifications, including the integral silencer), so according to the logic of the Miller decision, they are arms which the people have the right to keep and bear. IEDs are merely mines or bombs, which are certainly arms as well. These particular IEDs were apparently in the form of grenades, which are definitely military/militia items, in use since *at least* the 17th century, well before the second amendment was written and passed. These might be closer to the 17th century than to modern versions.
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