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Border agent charged with murder
AP on Yahoo ^ | 4/23/07 | AP - Phoeniz

Posted on 04/23/2007 5:17:05 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: HiJinx
I know one of the deputies who investigated the shooting. We served together in the Army. This was a bad shoot.

That is something I can live with, the video from 2 miles away is not.

61 posted on 04/23/2007 8:20:49 PM PDT by txroadkill
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To: txroadkill

The video is circumstantial at best. My buddy looked at it and didn’t see what was happening until he factored in casing position and coroner’s report.

He said the statements of the other illegals are ‘not credible’ as far as he’s concerned.


62 posted on 04/23/2007 8:30:51 PM PDT by HiJinx (Ask me about Troop Support...)
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To: NormsRevenge


Target is 500,000

Total Petitioners to Date: 352,296
63 posted on 04/23/2007 8:45:04 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: montag813

“Our laws mean absolutely nothing to the enemies within our government. Congress must act now.”

LOL Congress IS the enemy to which you refer.


64 posted on 04/23/2007 8:50:10 PM PDT by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: ScottfromNJ

That’s a clean shoot in my book. The illegal scum was clearly in a throwing motion. Rocks are deadly weapons, just ask Goliath. (Oh, that’s right, you can’t)


65 posted on 04/23/2007 8:50:45 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die than to live as a slave.)
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To: Pete98

Yep.

In the electronic communications world on lots of pieces of equipment come with reset button. Useful when the piece of equipment has gone haywire.

A good deal of our government is haywire.


66 posted on 04/23/2007 8:54:58 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die than to live as a slave.)
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To: HiJinx
"The illegal was on his knees in front of the agent when he was shot, according to the coroner’s report."

But, you can see in the video he wasn't. He was standing.

67 posted on 04/23/2007 9:34:36 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: jackibutterfly

Which video are you talking about, San Diego or Arizona?

Someone posted a link to a video that has nothing to do with this story - and many posters are confusing it with this post.

Don’t.


68 posted on 04/23/2007 9:58:38 PM PDT by HiJinx (Ask me about Troop Support...)
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To: NapkinUser

Bush wants to scare the BP, and it is working......a few more, and they won’t even bother.


69 posted on 04/23/2007 10:17:53 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: HiJinx

Maybe this one is bad, but too many other prosecutions are without merit. No wonder we have an automatic visceral reaction that the guy is innocent.


70 posted on 04/23/2007 10:24:08 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: txroadkill

Well I watched that frame by frame, and if he had a rock in his hand nothing fell to the ground when he dropped. I would expect that you’d have to have a pretty good sized rock to pose an imminent threat to justify the use of deadly force. And if he had anything in his hand you’d be able to see it hit the dirt and roll away.


71 posted on 04/23/2007 11:13:44 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: HiJinx

Doh, good call. San Diego vs. Arizona. Guess you can’t judge if the guy in Arizona screwed the pooch by watching a video of something entirely not related. I know that won’t deter some on the “laws don’t matter” crowd that seem to post on these threads.


72 posted on 04/23/2007 11:18:08 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: Pete98
LOL Congress IS the enemy to which you refer.

I'll take Duncan Hunter and Dana Rohrbacher over Alberto Gonzales and Johnny Sutton in the loyalty department any day.

73 posted on 04/24/2007 4:17:39 AM PDT by montag813
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To: txroadkill

I agree and disagree with you. Bush ,for some reason, seems hell-bent to give this country to the Mexicans. I too would be glad to find someone to stand up for Americans and secure the border.

Will it get better when Bush is gone? That all depends on who gts elected. If its a Democrat I dont believe it will.

Perhaps Fred Thompson will do the job he is elected to do and protect America. I dont know,it hasnt come up yet and it might hurt him with the Hispanic vote when it does.


74 posted on 04/24/2007 4:54:02 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I must be looking at the wrong video .... nothing matches the storys.
No group, a rifle not a pistol, no pushing down , .... but a real movement to do something by the guy who ends up on the ground.

Does anyone have a link to the real video?


75 posted on 04/24/2007 5:01:41 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (####### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: NormsRevenge

So, you have a new job as a border patrol agent, and you are learning the ropes. You are told that you cannot fire your weapon at someone who is entering the country illegally.

If you cannot do that, if you know in your heart that you may have to break that rule at some time, why don’t you quit this new job and save yourself a prison term?

If they are not allowed to shoot, why are they given weapons? If they are told that they cannot fire the weapons, why don’t they quit?

If they are told they cannot KILL the illegal, then that is a different issue. It is in the RULES. If you cannot follow these asinine rules, like most couldn’t, this is not the job for you and it is not worth putting your future on the line.


76 posted on 04/24/2007 5:06:18 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all.--William Goldman)
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To: NormsRevenge

Here we go again...paging Johnny Sutton


77 posted on 04/24/2007 5:08:45 AM PDT by citizen (Bi-Partisan (Dims+Bush) Amnistia coming soon to a nation near you. "We don't need no stinkin' fence")
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To: LibLieSlayer

Then you must not like him on the war on terror seeing as how securing the border is part of that effort.


78 posted on 04/24/2007 6:48:27 AM PDT by TucsonDevilBlues
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To: NapkinUser

They should quit en masse. The public would go bonkers.


79 posted on 04/24/2007 6:49:36 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: deport

If the witnesses said the gun was placed in the
BP officer’s LEFT hand,(The witnesses said the agent ordered them to the ground and had switched the gun from his right to left hand as he physically pushed Dominguez-Rivera, to the ground. That is when they said the gun fired.) HOW COULD THE FOLLOWING BE TRUE? “The bullet that killed Domínguez Rivera entered the left side of his chest, passed downward through his heart and liver, and settled in the right lower abdomen, according to an autopsy report by the Cochise County Medical Examiner’s Office. He was shot from between 3 inches and 2 1/2 feet, according to Arizona Department of Public Safety lab information includedinthereport.”

http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/179838


80 posted on 04/24/2007 8:07:37 AM PDT by amihow
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