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Iraqi Christians Forced to Pay 'Protection Tax'(This is what we sacrifice life & treasure for?)
World Net Daily ^ | April 18, 2007 | staff

Posted on 04/18/2007 10:53:00 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: sam_paine; kellynla

I refer to WND as ‘World Nut Daily’ on occasion because some of the stuff Joe Farah puts out there IS nuts!

That’s not to say that Farah hasn’t done some good, he was right in the forefront when it came to highlighting the abuses of the Clinton Misadministration, and I certainly applaud his stand when it comes to opposing Rudy Giuliani.

However Farah has been hawking that ‘G2 Intelligence Newsletter’ crapola forever, and the fearmongering on the whole ‘American Hiroshima’ angle never seems to end, every time there is a story about Iran’s nuclear intentions, you can set your clock by the time it will take for there to be a “special offer” from WND about “you CAN survive nuclear armageddon!” or some such claptrap. (about 10 seconds)

Joe Farah has occasionally hit some home runs right outta the park, but he has also struck out a great number of times, usually when he starts trying to run some counter-intel operations or whatever it is he thinks he’s doing, his predictions for imminent terrorist attacks on U.S. soil using weapons of mass destruction have (fortunately) come a cropper.

Does Joe mean well? I’m sure he does, I believe him to be a committed Christian and he isn’t afraid to stand up for the cause of Christianity and I salute him for that.

But Joe ain’t perfect, and the stories on his website are not always what they appear to be. He would gain a great deal of credibility if he would stop giving Pat Buchanan a pulpit on WND.

Or at least print Pat’s rants in the original German. ;)


61 posted on 04/18/2007 5:32:12 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: jveritas

The muzzies have not all rushed to Iraq to fight us. They are fanning out all over the world thanks to the billions of dollars we spend on oil. They grow the jihadis faster then we can kill them.


62 posted on 04/18/2007 5:35:33 PM PDT by winodog (We are being set up for bubba and the beast, part two.)
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To: livius

“I think we were very naive about Islam and about Muslims.”

Of course we were and still are. This is an example of the usual American worldview which extends to about the outer suburbs of Peoria. Unfortunately the same goes for our politicians. The maddening part of all this is that in this country, above all other countries, we have access to real local experience and living history from just about any part of the globe. But the government igmores it, screws up and then refuses to act to rectify the mistakes. This is in my opinion a product of the so called Enlightenment and its child American Exceptionalism. They don’t see that they have misunderstood other cultures because they believe that just below the surface, every human being is the exactly the same. Maybe down deep, very down deep, but near the surface, peoples and cultures are as different as black from white, night from day.


63 posted on 04/18/2007 6:02:49 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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64 posted on 04/18/2007 6:04:38 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: mkjessup
Well this piece is not “nuts!”

There are atrocities against Christians & Jews occurring daily throughout the Middle East. And if you had been in Iraq and/or had personal knowledge of the Muslim atrocities, which I do, you wouldn't be smearing the author of this piece.

Class dismissed.

65 posted on 04/18/2007 6:49:06 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: jveritas; kellynla
"...We are not fighting in Iraq for the Iraqis we are fighting for our freedom and our way of life and those of our children, grandchildren, and many generations to come. We are fighting in Iraq because it is in Iraq where the world wide islamic terrorist movement has decided to take a stand and fight us to death. It is in Iraq where we are annihilating the terrorists by the tens of thousands. We cannot leave Iraq before we crush the terrorist there, if we do the consequences will be worst than any nightmare we can ever imagine..."

Absolutely the correct assessment! And we could make it much easier by giving Iran something worthwhile to do.

I suggest that they be put to work rebuilding their God-forsaken country after we bomb it to hell. ................ FRegards

66 posted on 04/18/2007 10:06:45 PM PDT by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: edcoil

So would it be benefical to let a country like Iraq to fester in violence for more generations?
What would that solve?
That sounds kind of racist to me...just like the South Vietnamese during that conflict.

John Kerry said the South Vietnamese couldn’t distinquish between a Democracy and Communism...they were too busy tending their rice crops.

Your saying Iraqis are incapable of coming together because 100 Iraqis got killed by a terrorist the other day?

Your going to allow the terrorist to dictate policy?


67 posted on 04/19/2007 4:58:38 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: livius

Now the persecution is widespread? The Christian predictment wasn’t advertised under Saddam’s Regime.

http://www.capiraq.org/en/News_Reports/Demolshed_Churches_Eng.pdf

Did you know we allowed the Christians to suffer during Operation Northern Watch when US/UK were patroling the NFZ’s?

Christians were being slaughtered by the Kurds daily...why didn’t the fellow Christians (US/UK) stop the persecution when US/UK forces were flying the Northern Comfort?

Protecting the Kurds were more important than protecting the Christians?

Your Naive.....

Christians in Iraq were forced out their homes and living like third class citizens before the Coalition Forces invaded Iraq to topple Saddam.

Political indifference at the time? Not seen...not heard but its important now?

Wow!
Political Expediency Abounds!
Shame on you!

http://www.christianiraq.com/news/2004/12/14/kurds-against-christians-special-report/


68 posted on 04/19/2007 5:58:24 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: redgolum

yes, because under Saddam conditions were so marvelous.


69 posted on 04/19/2007 6:33:12 AM PDT by dervish (Remember Amalek)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Clever of you to say that now.

How about those who said it before the first boots his the ground?

More than one principled conservative was shouted down by the mob, if I recall.

70 posted on 04/19/2007 6:34:55 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: Milligan; kellynla

Pre 2003 Saddam had a lock down on the news.


71 posted on 04/19/2007 6:36:58 AM PDT by dervish (Remember Amalek)
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To: dervish; Kolokotronis
No they weren’t “marvelous”, but the Christians in the area had as much freedom as anybody else. Now, they are being forced out.

Life has gotten worse for them.

72 posted on 04/19/2007 6:39:30 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kolokotronis
This is in my opinion a product of the so called Enlightenment and its child American Exceptionalism. They don’t see that they have misunderstood other cultures because they believe that just below the surface, every human being is the exactly the same. Maybe down deep, very down deep, but near the surface, peoples and cultures are as different as black from white, night from day.

Great points. The assumption is that every one has the same ethics and reasoning as we do. That is nuts, and doesn't even hold up in Peoria.

What is madness to the mainstream US is common sense to the majority in some parts of the world.

73 posted on 04/19/2007 6:44:38 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: kellynla

I wrote to Cheney on this issue this morning.

I told him I think the President MUST take a public stand against this and the President MUST demand the Iraqi government take separate and direct action against it.

I told Cheney that if the President does not step up to the plate on this, then he Cheney, should resign and run for President himself.


74 posted on 04/19/2007 7:52:01 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: redgolum

“Life has gotten worse for them.”

I don’t believe that, nor do I believe you have any way of knowing that.

This article itself merely shows that terrorists are targeting Christians among the many others they are targeting in the often lawless Iraq. Terror in Iraq is no big or new news, and it is what the US force surge is targeting.

At best what can be said about life under Saddam is what was said of another fascist dictator “he made the trains run on time.”


75 posted on 04/19/2007 7:55:10 AM PDT by dervish (Remember Amalek)
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To: Wuli

“I told Cheney that if the President does not step up to the plate on this, then he Cheney, should resign and run for President himself.”

How ‘bout the more direct approach...
Bush resigns. :-]


76 posted on 04/19/2007 7:59:39 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: dervish

Absolutely! Control the media...control the country.

Even CNN shilled under Saddam’s watchful eyes pre-2003.
Saddam thought if he controlled the world media he could control the world and get out of those nasty sanctions.

Maybe restart his WMD programs that we couldn’t find.


77 posted on 04/19/2007 8:34:45 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: kellynla
Well this piece is not “nuts!” There are atrocities against Christians & Jews occurring daily throughout the Middle East. And if you had been in Iraq and/or had personal knowledge of the Muslim atrocities, which I do, you wouldn't be smearing the author of this piece.

Easy pal, we are more or less on the same page here, so try the decaf ok? I was not smearing Joe Farah in regards to this article, what I was pointing out is that Joe has credibility problems due to other pieces in WND that are so off the wall that they make it more difficult to take seriously articles such as the one you're talking about. And I know there are all kinds of Muslim atrocities going on against Jews and Christians not only in the Middle East but around the whole damn world and it is disgraceful and horrifying that we, the alleged preeminent Christian nation on Earth, don't do more about it.

As for 'smearing' Joe Farah, I did nothing but tell the truth on him and his website, I actually support a great deal of what Joe has to say, but not all of it, not by any means. And I do not condone his 'American Hiroshima' fearmongering.

Class dismissed.

Don't even think of trying to take my lunch money.
78 posted on 04/19/2007 10:26:10 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: kellynla

Because I would rather have Cheney freed from both (1)the blunders made by Bush as well as (2) having to run the office of the POTUS and mount a national election campaign at a time when the obligations of both should receive 100% of the individuals attention (in my view).

He would have greater freedom of opinion outside of the administration, while lacking the “official responsibility” for ongoing problems (regardless of the fact that many “ongoing problems” would exist no matter what policies were invoked to deal with them and no matter who was in office, the Dims and the media are expert at obscuring that fact).

Let Bush continue to absorb the ill affects of those efforts of the media and the Dims, while Cheney would be free to disagree with Bush and to attack the Dims’ positions. The “freedom to disagree” with Bush alone, would give Cheney a big assist in winning the GOP primaries; campaigning on fighting better in the WOT and in Iraq, not in appeasing the terrorists in either case.


79 posted on 04/20/2007 9:47:14 AM PDT by Wuli
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