SPINNING PRO-RUDY BLOGGER: Fred Thompson in 1994: Let The Woman Decide [Thompson is 100% pro-life]

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[areafiftyone]

Fred Thompson in 1994: Let The Woman Decide - Monday, April 09, 2007 @ 3:06:23 PM

		During his first run for the U.S. Senate, Fred Thompson said in an interview to a libertarian Republican newsletter that the ultimate decision to have an abortion "must be made by the woman." The comments were made in the July/August issue of Republican Liberty, the official newsletter of the Republican Liberty Caucus. In the interview, Thompson was asked: "Some conservatives got flustered by your comments on abortion and Roe vs. Wade. Would you like to explain your position on abortion?" Thompson answered: "Government should stay out of it. No public financing. The ultimate decision must be made by the woman.

[Petronski]

P.S. Fred thinks that the government should have no say in this "moral decision", which make his position pro-choice, no matter how you try to spin it.

Sez you and the AP. Even NARAL doesn't agree with you.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Said Fred.

Unless you have his statements to the contrary, here's what he said:

"Government should stay out of it."

That means that government should neither sanction, nor prohibit.

"No public financing."

Completely in line with his no government involvement position.

"The ultimate decision must be made by the woman."

BY THE WOMAN, not by the Federal government, not by the voters in the State where the woman resides, not by her husband, her parents, or judges. The "ultimate decision" (THE CHOICE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO MURDER HER UNBORN CHILD OR NOT) left to the woman.

"Government should treat its citizens as adults capable of making moral decisions on their own."

Government has no say so in the process leading to the act of aborting an unborn child, it is a moral decision left to the adult citizen. Aditionally, since this is something that the government should have no voice in, then the government CAN'T punish the act of murdering one's unborn child.

Your boy is pro-choice, no matter how you spin it.

[Victoria Delsoul]

You may not like abortion, but you consider his position and the way he discusses it to be a strength.

Mr. Silverback, you can not be serious. I have never said that, nor have I ever even suggested such a position. I don't consider it to be strength, but simply a sign of honesty whether we agree with his position or not.

I have some high regard for Rudy, but the bottom line is that he thinks that I should have to financially support it when some poor woman decides to have her child ripped limb from limb, and his supporters on this board are trying to pretend that is somehow more conservative [and better for the pro-life cause!] than a guy with a 0% rating from NARAL. Sorry, not buying.

Really? Could you point out how since the late 1970s, and under 18 years of GOP presidential watch - including the Reagan administration - federal funding was eliminated for abortions in cases of rape, incest, and the health of the mother? In fact, the Hyde Amendment explicitly allows for financial support for abortions in those cases.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Rhetorical gymnastics? This is from someone who doesn't know the difference between gun grabbing and gun control.

As an aside and since I just mentioned the issue, I might as well add that Ronald Reagan not only signed the biggest abortion bill at the time, but also signed a major gun control bill during his tenure as Governor of California, and I don't hear anyone calling him an “abortionist” (not that you use that term) and a gun grabber while he was Governor of California.

It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.

Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay." link

As California governor, Reagan in 1967 signed one of the most liberal abortion laws in the country, legalizing the procedure in cases where a woman's mental or physical health was at risk. link

Of course, this is not to change the subject, but to emphasize that rhetorical gymnastics and hateful name-calling have been the regular tools of the Rudy opponents on FR, not so much with his supporters.

As for the rest of your post, Luis has already answered you.

By the way, good posts, Luis.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Since Roe vs. Wade made first trimester abortions legal, and did so while studiously ignoring scientific data on the subject, calling it bad law and bad science is without doubt a ststement of opposition to first trimester abortions.

By the same logic, Rudy saying that he is personally opposed to abortion, that he doesn't like it, in fact, he hates it, and would advise women to have an adoption rather than abortion, doesn't make him pro-life in your book, does it?

[montag813]

How’s Rudy doing on that one?

He is apparently still a pro-choice true believer, and also hasn't learned anything about the 2nd Amendment. I loved him as my mayor. But I cannot support him at this time.

[Petronski]

This is from someone who doesn't know the difference between gun grabbing and gun control.

How . . . autobiographical.

[Petronski]

May your chains weigh heavily on you, so that you might finally understand the depths of your liberalism.

[Petronski]

Reagan converted, or do you deny that too?

Rudy is proud of his pro-abortion, gungrabbing soul.

[Petronski]

One quote, from a leftist wire service.

Of course, you're not looking for good evidence, just any evidence, no matter how ludicrous. Anything that makes Fred look as liberal as you pro-abortion, gun-grabbing boy Rudy, well, that's just fine for you.

[Victoria Delsoul]

How . . . autobiographical.

How so? You are the one who calls Rudy “gungrabbing,” not me. Can you distingush between one who is a gun grabber, and one who seeks some gun controls (like Reagan)? I don't think so.

[Victoria Delsoul]

May your chains weigh heavily on you, so that you might finally understand the depths of your liberalism.

Hate is such an awful thing and it usually corrodes the heart of those who harbor it. That's not the case with me.

And may you have a fruitful and happy married life, and may wisdom and kindness grow in your heart.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Reagan converted, or do you deny that too?

I never denied it, that's why I made it clear, emphasizing that he did it while he was Governor of California.

[Luis Gonzalez]

He was only in politics for two terms, and has been gone from them for over a decade.

Yet, while he ran, he was widely identified as a pro-choice Republican by his State’s media, and there are NO QUOTES from Fred denying that description.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Fred will make a fine VP for Rudy.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Reagan did not convert.

Here's his quote:

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party. My party left me."

[Luis Gonzalez]

Thanks.

[Petronski]

He was only in politics for two terms, and has been gone from them for over a decade.

Who? Thompson?

Check your facts.

[Petronski]

Reagan did not convert.

So he held on to the pro-abortion gungrabbing positions of those two bills VD mentioned in 484?

You're just writhing in semantics now.

[Petronski]

Yet, while he ran, he was widely identified as a pro-choice Republican by his State’s media...

You should have no trouble providing half a dozen or so of these quotes.

...and there are NO QUOTES from Fred denying that description.

A perfect pro-life voting record defies that description.

So much twisting and tumbling just to drag another candidate into Rudy's pro-abortion gungrabbing gutter. How sad for you.