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I I got this in an email today and thought that it was well worth sharing. It' is pretty long but well worth the time to read. The author makes his case succinctly and then at the end asks that we share this with high school and University students...because they're not taught this perspective. A lot of the geezers i know need to be reminded of this but it's true that most kids haven't got a clue what kind of sacrifices were made in the last century. They also have't a clue as to what's at stake in this century.

Maybe something like this can help open some eyes.

1 posted on 04/05/2007 9:58:06 AM PDT by pgkdan
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Post it on DU and see how many minds you change. It won’t last til the end of the hour before it’s pulled.........


2 posted on 04/05/2007 10:04:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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It’s difficult to understand why the American left does not grasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis.

The Left does grasp this.
The Left doesn't really care about human rights.
The Left doesn't really care about civil rights.
The Left doesn't care about Liberty.
The Left doesn't care about Freedom.

The Left want power over people. They think that Islamic destruction of the West will create an era where the Left will have an easier time gaining power. The American Left is rooting for the Islamic terrorists.

3 posted on 04/05/2007 10:06:57 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not yet attacked us

The U.S. declared war on Germany (and Italy) only after these countries declared war on the U.S.

5 posted on 04/05/2007 10:11:26 AM PDT by Prokopton
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Nancy Pelosi has a fifth option. Withdraw, ignore the problem. Actually, it looks more like Option # 3 or 4.
6 posted on 04/05/2007 10:27:04 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an “England” in the Middle East...

Before a "Middle East" is created in England?

8 posted on 04/05/2007 10:40:27 AM PDT by Excellence (Vote Dhimmocrat; Submit for Peace! (Bacon bits make great confetti.))
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“Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation, but it is not known yet which will win — the Inquisitors, or the Reformationists.”

I hate to be so gloomy, but during my 20 years in the ME I have observed that the “inquisitors” overwhelmingly outnumber the “reformationists”. Besides, the inquisitors are much more militant than the docile reformationists. Any change in Islam will not come from within but will HAVE to come from an outside source.


9 posted on 04/05/2007 10:41:56 AM PDT by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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America’s only allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia.

Bah. Between us, Britain, and Russia, that was all the allies required to defeat Germany and Japan. That was realized, even at the time.

10 posted on 04/05/2007 10:45:39 AM PDT by r9etb
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If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian economies. The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC — not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis.

Uh.. Not quite. The huge assumption here is that innovation will not respond to market forces as it always has in free nations. We can make oil from coal here in the States, but it costs something like $90 per barrel to do so. Yes, this is more expensive, but we are hardly at the mercy of a jihadist cabal.

11 posted on 04/05/2007 10:51:10 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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The Declaration of War wasn’t unanimous; Congresswoman Jeanette Rankin, (R-Montana) voted against it.


12 posted on 04/05/2007 11:22:11 AM PDT by Grut
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“It’s difficult to understand why the American left does not grasp this.”......

the American Left...is in its own “jihad” against the “Christian Right”....and all things Western....they see Radical Islam as a potential ally...not realizing that under Sharia...their heads role first...


13 posted on 04/05/2007 11:58:01 AM PDT by mo
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I'm going to Fisk this article a bit - even though I agree with Kraft's conclusion that we need to fight and prevail against the Jihadists - sooner, rather than later when they get control of nukes.

Sixty-three years ago...

Try 66, during the Spring of 1941. 63 years ago we were 2 months from the D-Day invasion.

Ironically, Russia saved America’s butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.

Let's see, 2 years after June 22, 1941 (when Germany invaded the USSR)...by June of '43 we had long since begun bombing Germany, we had tied down large resources by having hundreds of thousands of troops in England, we had gone a long way toward wiping out the U-boat fleet, had taken away North Africa from the Germans (with the English) while killing or capturing hundreds of thousands of Germans and Italians, and we were about 2 1/2 weeks away from Operation Husky, the invasion of Sicily. Already, hundreds of thousands of German troops were tied down in Greece, Sicily, Sardinia and Italy proper, awaiting an allied invasion - troops that couldn't fight the Soviets or anyone else. Further, Kraft doesn't mention that the Soviets would have lost by the end of 1942 without American aid - trucks, fuel, aircraft, etc. Without our aid, the Germans would have likely taken Stalingrad in the late summer/early fall of '42, and moved onto the Caucasus oil fields (or at least cut them off from use by the Soviets). Without the Caucasus oil, the Soviet military would have ground to a halt.

Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow alone… 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a MILLION soldiers.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Soviet Union lost approximately 26 million during the entire war, both civilian and military. I don't attempt to minimize these losses in any way, but the combined populations of Moscow and Leningrad weren't close to 24 million. Oh, and Moscow was NEVER under siege in WW2. The Soviets lost roughly 10.6 million citizens to combat deaths (including partisans & militia). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_Soviet_Union_during_World_War_II

You want gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

I do hope for the outcome in the last sentence, but the gas and the heating oil will be there for Americans. Why? First, we get very little from the Arab world - most of our imports come from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. To the extent that we can get oil and people are starving/freezing in large numbers, I can guarantee that any President will order the seizure of any Western Hemisphere oil fields that aren't producing at full capacity and shipping the product to us. You'll also have full-scale production of diesel (from petroleum), biodiesel and no pollution regulations on diesel vehicles, plus rationing, to cut down on demand. Yeah, the dollar wouldn't be worth much, but it'd be worth a whole bunch more than the Euro - because that continent would be the one that suffered the most.

The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $160 billion, which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost about 2,200 American lives, which is roughly 2/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11.

This is outdated - I don't know about the costs, but I do know that we're up over 3,000 dead.

Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon

That would've been a really neat trick on Napoleon's part, inasmuch as he was imprisoned on St. Helena from 1815 until his death in 1821.

It is a shame that so many factual errors appear in an article like this - because they detract from the very cogent and well-reasoned argument presented and discredit the author, who's obviously a very bright guy.

21 posted on 04/05/2007 1:12:55 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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